The Bootlegger King Who Killed His Wife and Got Away With It | Ep. 120

George Remus made millions bootlegging during Prohibition, lived like Gatsby, married a woman named Imogene, then murdered her in broad daylight. The kicker? He defended himself in court…and walked free.

This episode of Arsenic Culture dives into one of the wildest real-life crime sagas in American history:

 💰 The “King of the Bootleggers”
 🚘 A high-speed car chase through Cincinnati
 ⚖️ A murder trial featuring self-defense, insanity pleas, and stickpins
 💔 Betrayal, revenge, and Shakespeare-level chaos

Prohibition was messy. George Remus was messier.

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They, what happens then? She jumps in her car, he jumps in his, and a car chase takes off. Well, this is definitely something of a movie. I mean this, this is a movie I cannot believe this has not been made into a movie. This is absolutely nuts. Welcome back to Arsenic Culture where beer don't count. but bad decisions do. I'm Matt. I'm Jason as drinking beer. Damn, dude. Gimme the go ahead. Like Like your reaction, like, no, no, no, no. Hold on. 3, 2, 1 action or something. Shit. Uh, we're getting back to our bourbon roots here. Um, this show is really, it's evolved over time. Remember in the beginning we were just like. Doing random We'd had, we'd have whatever we could find the most rare shit and just try to review it. Yeah. And now we're like kind of honing in on stories because honest, honestly that's better listening potential for you guys. It is more fun. Talk about it. Um, this story is insane. I cannot believe I did not know about this motherfucker. I knew parts of, but I don't, I definitely didn't know the whole thing. yeah. Like how, like crazy. Like his life was like, this is insane. We're talking about George Remus and, um, the, the life and crimes of this crazy individual or boy right here. Yeah. And we got a bottle here. If you're a watching instead of listening on YouTube, we got, uh, tell us about this, this barrel Yeah, so, so this is actually, I got to go, this is from 2020, a few years back. Mm-hmm. So I actually got to go to MGP in Indiana, right. And we did a barrel pick with one of their brands. Like one of the brands from MGP Remus George Remus Bourbon. So this is what was bottled under it. It is 121.7 proof. I think it's about six years old. If I remember correctly. It's not age stated, but I thought it would be a good time to reopen it. It's been open for a while, but, uh. See if it still tastes good While we're talking, let's drink some George Remus and talk about George Remus and have dreams about George Remus. it. Might be, I don't think he, I don't think he's that attractive. I, I dunno. I don't I didn't say they'd be good dreams. I'm just like, yeah, I've he's chasing you with a gun, I know I've been doing research for 24 hours. This is all I can fucking think about. So get us, get us, uh, popping off All right. So. Who is George Remus? Well, he was born in 1874 in Berlin, Germany. He was a German immigrant who moved to and grew up in Chicago, so he began supporting his family at an early age because of his father's alcoholism. He was working in a pharmacy, I assume it was like a pharmacy tech or probably stocking the shells or yeah, Yeah, but what he did there is he worked his way up. He ended up owning several pharmacies and was a pillar in the community, so very well respected. Mm-hmm. From there, he studied law and then what his like focus was, was labor rights. Immigrant. Immigrant causes as well as criminal cases. He hated the death penalty. That's what one of his big things he was focused on to get rid of that. Really. Okay. He justified any means of presenting his clients or preventing his clients from execution. And why? I mean, by any means, he was very charismatic, intelligent in the courtroom, high drama. So this dude was crazy and they called him. Crying Remus was his Remus. I saw that. Speaking of intelligent, um, he, me? Yeah. Yeah. That was the end of my statement. So we can continue. No, he was, uh, he passed. Uh. I said pharmacy exam, I think I meant bar Bar exam. He passed the bar exam at 19 and he became a lawyer by 24. Yeah, dude was impressive. Like, yeah, dude. Like the dude was just on it. He was fucking on it. Yeah. Yeah. So after that, like he's, he's a lawyer, so after prohibition, he defended several bootleggers. So from there, he actually saw how much money and how easily it could be made, what they were doing to make it. So from there he realized, Hey, I know a lot of legal loopholes that I could exploit as a lawyer and a pharmacist. Yeah. So what he was doing is he could legally buy liquor, uh, himself as like a pharmacist license and all that things, and then he could steal it from himself and then resell it at a huge profit. So I wanna talk about something before we go into that.'cause that is the crux of this story is, is him being a bootlegger. That's what he's famous for. When he was a lawyer, um, I mean, he's always been a lawyer, but back when he was practicing, he is the one who is credited with, um, establishing the transitory insanity defense. That is a fancy way of saying temporary insanity. And that's, that's used. You hear that a lot. Temporary insanity. He is largely credited with creating that. I didn't know that. Okay. And one of his clients, um, William Cheney Ellis, uh, in a murder case in 1914, um, he introduced the transitory um, insanity defense and got him off the hook. Let me make sure I got'em off the, I'm assuming I bet you're right. I bet you're right. It makes sense. It adds up at the end of the story. I Yeah, but the whole, yeah, exactly. So that's why I wanted to tie that in. Um, it, he def define, it's defined as a momentary lapse in judgment based on extreme extenuating circumstances. Um, I was cool 'cause you hear that in like TV and like jury's law all the time, like in the eighties and nineties movies, everybody was a temporary inanity getting off, but they really weren't, Yeah, exactly. Like he's credited with inventing that. I thought that was really cool. Pretty cool. Yeah. So from there he did, from, you know, he was in Chicago or whatever, so he moved to Cincinnati. Why did he move there? Well, one of the reasons was most of the nation's whiskey at that time were within 300 miles. So it's kind of like the central point, right? Mm-hmm. right? So what he did there is he bought up a lot of local distilleries and he didn't dilute his liquor so that a lot of these people, like during prohibition and then after two were having their liquor diluted with like water or whatever the hell else they wanted to. Right to make more profit. But with his, uh, scheming, I guess. So he was buying these distilleries and making it, and don't forget, he was also stealing it from himself and then getting it back and selling it. So he's like triple dipping. Right. He doesn't have to cut his product. Right. Like a drug dealer. Like you get, if you get it from the source, you're gonna cut it as much. and I think this is a, it, it really is a testament to his intelligence, but not only that, his, the amount of scruples that he may or may not have, because there's a floaty thing in the air, the amount of scribbles he may or may not have because, um, he. Working in a pharmacy, he knew how, uh, pharmaceuticals worked. He knew the whole, like the legal aspect of it. Remember back then too, so for prohibition, you had to have that prescription for alcohol, So you couldn't just go and buy whiskey. Um, the only way it was legal is if you had a quote unquote prescription. I say quote unquote, no, you literally had to have a prescription. That was it. Um, so he knew that. He knew how that worked because he grew up working in the pharmacy. Uh, and then being a lawyer, he knew like the legal applications of. Buying and selling, um, whiskey, which was strictly prohibited during prohibition except for medical purposes. So he's like, okay, I'm gonna make it. I'm going to, I'm going to sell it under the guise of being medicinal, which was the only legal way to do it. But there wasn't as much money in medicinal whiskey, which is why a lot of the distilleries shut down. So he's like this fucking underground market. It's still huge. It's moving volume either. So if you've got a big distillery used to making this much bourbon, now you can make this 'cause you don't need as and people are still drinking it. They're just buying it illegally. So he is like it's made bathtubs. Yeah, he is like what you said. He's like, I'm gonna produce it legally. I'm gonna produce it legitimately and I'm make it high quality. Sell it under the guise of quote unquote being medicinal. But I'm gonna pay people basically to rob my own trucks and then resell it underground. So instead of making, you know, 5%, I'm gonna make like 150%. Like, and if they get caught, he can get 'em Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's, that is Triple Edition. Yeah. Better call Saul. Better call Remus. Uh, dude, honestly, it's. Fucking genius. Like as long as you're okay with just like, you know, fucking the system, which a lot of people are so, so speaking to Better call Saul in relation to this guy. So he, huge personality, huge, big lifestyle. Right? He also referred himself in the third person, All I know. It's hilarious, right? Yeah. So he is like, George don't like this of, George likes the uncut is gonna get you off, buddy. Yeah. you ain't going to jail. George will not let you go listen to George. Yeah. That's hilarious. so then the other big thing, and I'm sure you're gonna touch on it too, so this guy with his lifestyle and everything, I mean, very extravagant and everything going on, he is actually credited by a lot of people, a lot of sources, as the inspiration for the Great Gatsby character. Yep. Yeah. Which is pretty wild. So had this big mansion in Cincinnati. Yep. Huge parties, slavish parties. And then he was given like his guest party favors, but not like here's a bottle of booze. Oh yeah. He was given the ladies uh, cars for the women Pontiacs. Right. I don't, I didn't see the Pontiac. Was that it? was a big deal back then. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. And then the guys, he was giving diamond stick pens and watches, which is kinda wild. I had to look up what a stick pin is. It's little thingy goes here, right? No, it's what, Like a lapel is what stick pin It goes, it can go in lapel. Okay. I think of, um, you know when people have ties and they roll that pin through or knot. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a stick pin. Be, but I think you put it like, I think you could pin like a handkerchief. It's just like, it's like you said, it is a pin, but it's got, he put like fucking diamonds out, like real diamonds and it gave the shit away to people at his parties. Shockingly, I don't have any don't have any stick. You don't have any stick fins. You don't have any diamond related $10,000 any dolphins. You come to my next bottle share and I'll give you one for free. I got one for everybody. And then my favorite story from some of these parties though were. He was actually literally lighting cigars with a hundred dollar bills, a hundred bill, just lighting them on fire like cigars. That was like, that is, that does sound like something straight from the Greg Gatsby. hundred percent. A hundred percent. yeah. Um, he was nicknamed the king of bootleggers. He was bribing police and politicians. I don't know if this number is correct. Oh, I bet it was. He reportedly spent up to $20 million in bribes over the course of his career, which. I don't know if that's today's money or money back then. That's gotta be today's money. I don't know. I that's a look at, depends on how big your operation And he had a huge ass operation. All he bought in so many distilleries after he like started his own and stuff like that. Like yeah, he was then you're distributing out to other, other, you know, counties, other states. And if you look, if watched Boardwalk Empire, we talked about that earlier. But he was a, he was a character in that as well. You could see some of that. Yeah. Um, in 19 21, 22 federal agents raided his Death Valley farm, which I guess was in a state that he had up in the Cincinnati area. Um, Remus was, uh, or the reason federal agents raided him is because somebody ratted on him. It was apparently a disgruntled employee. I couldn't find out who it was. I guess it was unimportant, but somebody was just like, Hey, you need to, you need to check this guy out. Well, you think at that point though, the scale of your operation, everybody would know. So it's honestly, oh yeah. It might've been that, but it's probably like. They got to a politician or a prosecutor that he didn't pay off or couldn't bribe. They're like, let's take this guy. You many people he had in his pocket. Yeah. It, it eventually, it's going to collapse in on itself. There's no way to sustain that. Um, uh, he ended up, uh, being indicted for thousands of Volted ACT violations. The Volted Act is, uh, basically prohibition. Yeah, that's, it's um, it's what prevented alcohol from being settled. They called it the Volstead Act. So he got, uh, in trouble for violating a lot of those, uh, a lot of things he got sent, sentenced to two years in Atlanta Penitentiary. Did you see that? No, I didn't. I don't know why they sent him to Atlanta, but probably Nasser one. That's a good point. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that's kind of random. Yeah. Um, while he was in prison, he confided in a gentleman named Franklin Dodge. Franklin Dodge was, I think a DOJ agent. They call him Possy. com ATU agent, um, which is a temporary civilian agent called Upon by and law called upon by law enforcement for assistance. But I think he worked for the DOJ. Yeah, I believe. Um, so this guy was sent in as a government official to talk to Remus to try to get him to kind of like cough up, like, well, it's just information exactly. Yeah. A stool pigeon is what you call 'em. Yeah. What ended up happening is they kind of became fast friends and Remus ended up, he was confiding in him, which kind of doesn't make sense to me, but, um, a lot of these stories that we, that we hear is, uh, Remus for all his faults, it sounds like he had like really good intentions. was a fun dude no matter what I like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, well fucking give me diamond stick fins. I'll, everybody would say he's a good dude, you know? Oh yeah. something crazy to Yeah. He gave he was a good dude. He just, he's misunderstood. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, but he confided in Franklin Dodge, who was a government representative. Um, Franklin Dodge did something unexpected. Uh, this government agent, instead of going to the government, maybe he divulged some of his secrets. What he ended up doing is telling Remus that, Hey, I got your back. You know, we're, we're fast friends now. Just, you know, tell me whatever you want. Get off your check chest, um, and I'll help you out. He ended up giving him some information on his business. He ended up taking that information. Um, going back and talking to his wife at the time was a lady by the name of Imogene. Yep. Um, and he ended up fucking her. He had an affair with George Rees's wife. Seems dangerous. Seems fucking really dangerous. Like, I wouldn't like the balls on that guy, dude. Um. He ended up quitting this government job, uh, got in bed with her. They were in cahoots to sell all of his shit. So they liquidated all of his assets. They sold all of his businesses. Um, they tried to have him deported. They had launched some scheme to get him sent back to, uh, Germany. Was it Germany or Bavaria? Something like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they tried to get him sent back to Europe. Which didn't work. Um, by the time, uh, Remus got out of jail, he had a hundred dollars to his name. Wow. That was it. They fucking liquidated everything and stole everything from him. Um, I bet he was not a happy man when he got outta Oh, I'd say, I'd say not. Uh, Imogene and Dodge. Tried to, uh, hire somebody also to have him killed. They, they, uh, offered somebody$15,000 to assassinate George Remus. And I guess at that point, just to get him out of the picture, because they were already to rob him blind, um, the guy, the hitman they had hired, I. Uh, thought it was sh like more shady than it should have been. Like he thought he was being set up seriously, so he ended up just being like, flee. Just like, no, fuck this. I'm not getting involved with this. So that actually fell through. But not only did they try to have him deported, but then they tried to have him killed. That fell through. So he gets outta jail. He's got a hundred dollars through his name. He's like, what the fuck is going on? Um, he starts to, uh. I, I guess this is like where they decide they're gonna get a divorce. Go figure. Um, he referred to his wife imaging as quote unquote degenerated clay, which I thought was the oddest remark I've never, I I read that too. I may have not. I've never heard that term had to look that up. So from what I can tell Degenerated, so this is, this is a long time ago. Um, Christian values are still paramount, I guess at that time. So they're talking about like man or mankind being made out of clay, out of God's image. Okay. So it's like if you are a good person, you could be mold outta clay to be made into a good human being. He was saying she was degenerated clay. Like she could not be molded in the way that he wanted to mold her. Um, it was an insult, but it was really like, if you try to say that today, that's kinda like, well, you're kind of the fucking asshole here. You know what I mean? Like, nobody don't wanna tell. You're talking about like, oh, Yeah. yeah. I, I guess that's bad. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's, he's, he's kind of basically saying like, I'm a misogynist. Like I should be able to control her and I can't. I think that would be typical of somebody back then, That's the thing. That's the thing that, that's, that's the thing. So, um, yeah. So then after that, I guess Rema Hass decided to take matters into his own hands. Yeah, So again, on this one, man, the divorce and everything. So he was really, really, he was actually going out here and filed his own divorce suit. So he was the one that filed first, and he was going out to reporters and telling 'em all about her mis misdeeds, all this cheating she was doing. was like a, like a smear Oh, yeah. A behind the scenes kind of thing, you know, like getting into the papers and stuff. I mean, again, this guy's a smart dude. He's got a lot of ties. He's a lawyer. He knows how things work. Right. I'm sure he is leaked stuff to the press before. Oh yeah. So the day that the divorce was to be finalized, George Remus wanted to speak to Imogene. I call her Imogene. You sent him a gene one last like, that sounds like a, like a jacket. That's true. That's true. Yeah. So one last time he wanted to talk to her. Why? Who knows when she saw him when he pulled up. She panicked. She panicked. Well, yeah. Yeah. She panicked. And then they, what happens? Then? She jumps in her car, he jumps in his, and a car chase takes off. fucking like OJ Simpson style. Except there's two cars. Not one. Well, this is definitely something of a movie. I mean this, this is a movie for I cannot believe this has not been made into a movie. This is absolutely nuts. And we looked it up too. I mean, we get to great gasbys based some of this, so the movie there, but. Um, you looked it up. There's one movie coming out this year. It looks like a straight to DVD movie or straight to streaming whatever, A DVD. Damn. in independent, like university film made with like a bunch of like students probably. But still, I mean, again, how could you not make a movie about this guy? I guess the best, the best movie about him has been Boardwalk Empire. Like, he, he wasn't a, a main character, but he was a like side main character to watch that show. Everybody says It's A lot, a lot of people too, like we've talked about in our, our stories, you or our episodes, you would really like that. You would, you would put two and two together, even. You could Even me. So anyway, when they're, when they're chasing each other in these cars, it ends up in Eden Park in Cincinnati, right. So there's an argument there. And then what happens, Remus ends up in, sh ends up shooting Imogene in the stomach, and she died soon after. she went to the hospital and like kind of bled out or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. supposedly. That's a really bad, yeah, that's what they say. That's a really bad way death. Especially back then, I mean early 19 hundreds probably. So you're not, you know. Yeah. So he basically ran her down. Yep. And then shot her dead. Well shot her in the stomach Oj. Oh, did, yeah. So what did he do then? He turned himself in. Made he immediately turned himself in. Yeah. Made front page news. And of course, being the lawyer that he was the showman that he was. He defended himself in the murder trial. So it was him and one other lawyer named Charles Elston. I don't think anybody cares about Charles though. It's it's Rema show. It's dream is for all It's the, it's the Rema Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So during the trial, Imogene was portrayed as a woman, terrified of her violent husband, knowing too much, uh, way too much about it, and trying to actually work with law enforcement to testify against him. That's how they were saying that she was a, a good person. That's why he was so mean. Tried to kill her. Did you see who the prosecuting attorney was? I did not, It was Charles Phelps Taft. None other than the son of President William Howard Taft. He was the president's son trying to prosecute George Reiss, like talk about fucking high profile cases. And again, why is this not a fucking movie? Yeah. Right. That's, and I think too, I mean, I read a little bit about that. I forgot the name, but. It was on a silver platter. Mm-hmm. Like you had reus dead to riots. Right. Like this was a, a slam dunk to build this guy's career. Like he was moving up. Right. So they give it to him and like looking at the evidence, looking at everything the way it was presented, like it, it should have ended that way. Right. Should have ended that way. So, Remus side, they portrayed her Imogene as enjoying the spoils of his bootlegging enterprise, betraying her husband for corrupt government official stealing her husband's assets and trying to have him killed. So they were painting her as a bad Right? Right. So from there. During this trial, Remus, the ever showman had frequent outbursts broke down in court. Remember? He's called crying Remus. Super much. Yeah, exactly. So he pled not guilty. And you know why? How he pled not guilty. Why is that? By temporary insanity. hell? It's almost like he invented That's crazy. Exactly. That is nuts. Yeah. So you look at this, his charm combined by the missteps with the prosecutor Taft. Mm-hmm. He was deemed insane and sent to an asylum. Uh, but shockingly soon after he was there, he was actually found that he was actually sane again. He was good. He was good. That's nuts, dude. That's that's crazy. I mean, what You can make a movie about that trial. Just the just the trial. No, you're exactly right. Um, and it is so sensational. It's almost unbelievable. It's, it's, um, Charles Taft's, president William Taft's son. Um, he fucked it up. up. He did fuck up bad. but see, here's the thing. It's like if you are a, a, a good attorney, and you look at it, and this is what I was saying, if you look at the way the evidence is laid out in front of you. I would've probably done it the exact same way he did. Um, he graduated from Yale. He was a World War I vet. He was elected Hamilton County prosecuting attorney from 26 to 28. Um, he was considered like a rising star in the, in the legal system. Like everybody was just like, okay, well if anybody can prosecute this guy, the fucking president's son, right? He looked at everything from an analytical perspective. He was like, all the evidence is here. It's like doing the case for us. Remus took the exact opposite approach. He's like, I'm gonna make this shit emotional, fucking crying in court outbursts, screaming and yelling. People like me, I don't need facts. Yeah. That's what, that's what he's saying. That's exactly what he did. He made it emotional and the jury sided with him because they're like, you know what? Motherfucker got a point like, like I want my bitch doing all this shit. Like seriously? He just like, it was very misogynistic back then, but he played it up like she was a gold digging whore and he didn't deserve that. Yeah. And they believed him because of his outbursts and like his drama. again, OJ right? Again. Oj Yeah. they had him dead their rights too. Was it Marsha Clark and, and Christopher Darden. The lawyers there. Yeah. Screwed it up ma him trying the damn glove, like Yeah. Seriously. There's like parallels. I don't put the glove but don't do what you Yeah. Yeah. That does not fit, you must have quit. Yeah. His, uh, Reiss's first wife Lillian and his daughter Ramola. That's Ramola Remus for anybody listening at home. And they came to his, they came to his help. Like they defended her and he divorced her, like divorced her. Kicked her to the damn curb. Yeah. I get the daughter, but like even the ex-wife, I was like, damn. Yeah, they defended him. They're like, no, he's a good he probably gave her a few cars and diamond stick. yeah, yeah. Here's a stick pin, babe. Um, yeah, that was crazy that they were like, they decided to defend him too. The jury deliberated only 19 minutes. 19 minutes, and they're like, no, he's fine. Not only that. know George, Not only that, around the, when this, uh, this, this, uh, trial took place was like in the holidays, they were like. Not only do we think he's innocent, but we think you need to let him out for Christmas. Like they'd petition the judge, they'd be like, please, please, sir, can you, your Honor, can you let him out for Christmas? gifts from him. Yeah. So like, he can enjoy his like time with his like, uh, living family and not the ones that he killed. Like, that is nuts, It is Like he just had people eating what I saying. But it seems very much like a, um, uh, like a godfather kind of situation. Like he gave back to the community. He's a bootlegger. He was like a, you know, a swindler, but he was a man of the people. Like he treated people well. He gave back to the community, uh, excessively. So case in point, you know, just, I don't know what that is the case in point of, but there's, there, there's a movie, I'm trying to think of the name of it, with Denzel, um, American Gangster. So have you watched that one? Uh, I don't, so Frank Wright is his name and that, so he's like a cocaine. So what he would do is go to Vietnam and get the cocaine, so wouldn't have cut it and all this stuff. But the community loved him. Even he is killing people and doing this. Right. He's hand out turkeys and shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, yeah. That's how you see a lot of these rappers or anybody, like, we're going to the hood for Christmas and hand out Yeah, yeah, though I've, you know, I sell cocaine to everybody Right after I did my drive by. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. So, um. Like you said, he was found insane. He got out after I think seven I didn't see the timeline. Yeah. Uh, he went to a mental hospital. He ended while he was in the hospital. He, um, ended up becoming a mentor to a lot of the patients there. Like, they looked up to him and he was like teaching them like the ways of life. He, uh, created an apple orchard. Oh, wow. Like, he just didn't, I mean, he's, he's kind of like fucking Muhammad, you know? He just like giving back to the people and stuff. Um, yeah. Everybody at this insane asylum loved him. So you're saying You're saying he was not he was not degenerating clay. He was regenerating clay. Uh, but yeah, he ended up after seven months, they're like, you're not insane. Just get outta here. So he got out of the crime by saying he was insane. He got out of the insane asylum showing he was sane. Like dude's. Smart smart. Oh my god, dude. Yeah, he's nuts. Um. After that the Bar Association, uh, in Cincinnati had to reform their jury selection process to get like juries that were, I guess more like last, the last name. Was it reus that weren't given give free turkeys on Thanksgiving by the, by the defendant or whatever. Um, but after that, he ended up moving to, uh, northern Kentucky Covington. He married again. He, uh, settled down just kind of. He left the limelight, but he ended up living like for a while and just, just passed away in 1952, was 77 years old and it was actually natural causes. Yeah. So that was it. Chill motherfucker murdered somebody got away with it and then just lived the rest of his life. Like, cool. Well he was crazy for a little bit mastery, crazy. That's so he said. But um, yeah, like you said, he, this story was supposedly the inspiration for the Great Gatsby. A lot of stuff lines up, mainly lightened cigars with a hundred dollars bills because that, that and then the parties, just the crazy wild parties. That's the whole grad. Great Gatsby's like based around, um, and little bit off subject, but what'd you think about the bourbon This is great, dude. I love this. Um, you said this is, this is straight M-G-P-M-G-P. So this is, you know, sourced from them, but it's their own brand. So it's their, their product. Like they own honestly, when we did the pick. You cannot do a tour at MGP, so you have to go there as a pick only. But I didn't love it. I didn't love that. Everything C is cool, but I didn't love the pick itself. It's actually gotten a lot better, Yeah. Yeah. Just kind of like, how old did you say you, not about six years old, but how long have you had this bottle? I've had it since 2020 when I did the pick. Okay. So, but I've had this ball open for about a year, which is a long, long time for this bottle. So. for that bottle. Yeah. Don't, one gets too far off track, but again, George Reis Yeah. Well the Yeah. Wild the story makes it taste better too. Like that's fucking nuts. Yeah. The fact that this hasn't been like a major motion picture already, that's kind of boggling. Yeah. To my mind. But, um, or, or like a series, I could see it being the series on tv, you know, like a Like, shit. like shit. Yeah. And considering how many series they've done on like drug dealers that give back to the community and stuff, we sided like three during this telling. Yeah. you could even, you could even approach it from the, the lawyer side. Not even go to his, you know, demise. Just go to the, the lawyer side of it and see what he did. There's a lot of angles. that's fucking great. I can't believe I didn't know all this shit. But, uh, George Reus fucking old folk hero kind of, yeah. Badass slash misogynist slash I mean, I guess it's okay.'cause back then everybody was doing we need to go, we need to go road trip Cincinnati and find this damn uh, mansion. fucking marble mansion. It's still got it. It has to be there. It as big as it we gotta figure that out. We gotta figure that out. I'll Google that as soon as we turn these cameras off. So guys, if you enjoy this, please share it. If you didn't, then keep drinking until you do. For more arsenic culture, you can check us out on all the socials we are at arsenic culture like and subscribe on YouTube we'll see you on the next one.