The Fire That Burned a City and Killed No One (Almost) | Ep. 121

In 1875, a warehouse in Dublin’s Liberties district exploded into flames, igniting more than 5,000 barrels of whiskey and unleashing a river of fire through the streets. But the fire itself didn’t kill anyone. The whiskey did.

This episode dives into the wild true story of the Dublin Whiskey Fire, where:

 🔥 Streets flowed with flaming booze
 🍺 Locals scooped whiskey with boots, hats, and porringers
 🧠 Firefighters used manure and gravel to stop the blaze
 💀 Thirteen people died of alcohol poisoning, not fire

One of the weirdest disasters in drinking history, and a turning point in how cities stored spirits.

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So the shit, the booze that went through the shit that was on fire, yeah. They're out there picking it up with hats, with boots, with any container they got. So they're gonna drink it, of course, a little bit later. Welcome back to Arsenic Culture. I am Matt. I am Jason. That's still Drew. That's not how we do it. Is it? What's our normal intro? We're, I don't know. We bad Oh yeah. Welcome back to Arsenic Culture. We're, you know what? Fuck it. Hey, what's up? I'm, I'm Matt, I'm still Jason with the white Legs. I'm Drew. And we haven't even started drinking yet. We literally have not started drinking yet. We've had a quarter of a beer and, uh, we're already fucking everything up. But I welcome back to another long episode in this sweet Airbnb that is still really hot. I wish that air would start. Maybe I should knock it down like 67. It's a, it's a, not Airbnb. Yeah. It's like, yeah. It's a stagnant BB and their defense, it just wasn't set right. Like, I mean, we had to come in and turn it on, so it's fine. It's actually cooling down well, but we're still hot. It's about a hundred fucking degrees though. So we're at the party house, no. We're at the, uh, party houses is all of Oh, okay. My bad. And we're at the Napa Hous. This is the only one we haven't recorded from. So I thought it was cool that they were letting us, uh, finally come here to this one. It's a small house. Only seven bedrooms. only seven bedrooms. Only seven bedrooms, I know. Uh, and if it wasn't 90 fucking degrees outside, I would love, they got a kick ass patio out back here with like 30, 30 more seats and a big old covered area. Um, we'll do that in the future, but for now, uh, surprisingly, we're sweating inside until this air kicks in, uh, which I may have to go over there and, uh, do something about. But anyway, uh, appreciate those guys for letting us come back here again. You can check 'em out at uh partyhous.com. That's partyhous.com. Right in the middle of Lexington, Kentucky, and, uh, they are badass places. Uh, today we are going to do something that Drew actually brought up. Um, sent some little message on Yeah. We, we had it, like we have a list of topics, uh, that we can kind of pick and choose from and we'll kind of prioritize them and Drew's like, dude, have you ever heard of the Dublin Whiskey Fire? This is the crazy shit I've ever seen. I was like. Yeah, I have, but you know, I was like, I was like, actually let's just go ahead and talk about it.'cause it is pretty crazy. It is Cool. Um, I started doing some research on this and uh, I guess it's like with anything, once you start looking into it, um, there is content on it already where people have looked into it, they've done their own research and you know, that's kind of all we do is we just take it from them. We compile it and present it in our own format, which is arsenic culture. But, uh, I'm. This is one of those things again, where I'm surprised more people don't know about it. I think, you know, when I started doing some research on it, there were some, the resources Yeah. But they kind of all said the exact same thing. Yeah. You know, when I look at research, what I'm trying to do for the show, I wanna find something that's a little different. Right. Yeah. Like, I mean, not somebody out here just making shit up Yeah. But a little something different. So there was, there was a lot of information on the first part of it. But as you get towards the end of it, and we'll see. It's, it's pretty sparse. Yeah. But there is some cool spots, the middle part's the best part. Oh, it's a hundred percent. That's my part. it because everybody was drunk Yeah. Oh, Probably. Like, yeah. dead? to the nth degree. One the other, It, it gets pretty severe. Uh, well, I'll start it out, uh, in June 18th, uh, I normally have my iPad here. My wife took it to Tennessee, so now I gotta read it off my phone. 1875. I. hold like this while we, while we're, uh, on, on here, but, uh, yeah. June 18th, 1875 in Dublin's, Liberty's neighborhood. Uh, the Liberty's neighborhood was apparently kinda like. I don't wanna say ghetto, but it was, I guess it was more of like a poor area. Did you look up the liberties? No. I mean, I think you're right though. I think it was like a poor area. Lots of warehouses, um, lots of distilleries and they just jam packed 'em all in there together on top of each other. But, But in, but in their defense in 1875, your your affluent neighborhoods are probably like that big. That's, that's true too. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And honestly, they're, they, yeah, they probably got a lot of, uh, fluent neighborhoods are probably like one house for like 2000 acres. So that's the neighborhood, quote unquote. Um, but in this area, um, there was a warehouse owned by somebody named Lawrence Malone. Uh, he was just a warehouse owner. He didn't have a distillery. He wasn't a distiller. He literally had a big old open space and was like distilleries. You can put your barrels in here. I'll charge you a few, however, mu many dollars to store them and that's it. Um, he had no vested interest in the actual spirits, but he housed a lot of whiskey, a lot of Irish whiskey obviously.'cause we're, we're in Ireland it's rig houses essentially. Yeah. He's got his own like Rick houses. Um, I didn't actually compare what he had to real actual Rick houses. Like I didn't know if they were set up the same way with levels and with like, you know, racks and stuff like that. my knowledge, back then it would've been single, probably single level, but still. I mean, there was a lot of barrels in there, Yeah. Yeah. Um, it said his warehouse stored around 5,000 hogs heads. You know what a hog head? it's a size of barrel, but I couldn't tell you what size it is. It 55? It's 52 and a half. You know what a regular barrel is? 53. you're putting me on the spot. I know. Yes, I know what means. Yeah. I knew you didn't get it by looking your eyes, so I saved you. Um. 53 gallons. Yeah. A a regular barrel is 53 grounds, uh, hogs head is 52 and a half. It's basically the same thing. There's different, they call 'em d there's different names for different ones too. And you see a lot of whiskey like distilleries. Now we'll use a smaller barrel, like a probably 20 gallon, 25 gallon, right. 30. What the theory is, is the more surface area, it's gonna age it quicker. But in reality it really doesn't. So, sorry, the sidebar. It's, no, it there, there's gonna be a lot of sidebars here because I had to look up what a fucking hog's head is and like where that name came from and apparently. It like nobody knows like it. It was some like Latin entomology I think to where it's like, or like Norwegian, I think it was something hog. It came from like just like the hog of a head of a hog or something. Nobody really could like draw sense. It's called hogs head. Exactly, but I guess over time they're like, why the fuck are we calling this a hog's head? Let's call it a barrel. And they just changed it 'cause it's the same size as our actual regular barrel. So bonded warehouses, held untaxed high proof whiskey, which is a tempting but dangerous commodity. Um, I, I don't know why I wrote that down. That was a pretty stupid thing to say. Uh, they were. I don't, I bet they weren't bonded back then. I mean, sidebar here, but off, off. I bet they weren't even I probably not. It was so like, I guess what I'm trying to say there is the, um. The regulations were very loose. You know, it was, and especially back in 1875, hundred percent. And I, I, I have some more information on that later too. Okay. Um, so around between 4 35 and 8:30 PM a fire was started. I looked everywhere to try to figure out how this fire okay. I couldn't find it Nobody knows. Um, there is some people that speculate that there is a bakery next door, um, that it could have. It's called Reed's Malt House. I'm sorry, not bakery malt house. Um, where they do like malting for Yeah. And somebody suspected like it could have spontaneously happened from that location and like carried over. Um, some people were saying it was just like a lantern that just like fell and broke and just caught on fire. Um, nobody really knows. But the issue is that the, the whiskey in these barrels in this warehouse were so high proof. I mean, it's basically just like straight ethanol. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's super, super flammable.

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30 PM Barrel explosions, unre re unleashed a river of flaming whiskey flowing through Cork Rd chamber and Mill Streets. Um, the, those warehouse was, I guess, kind of up hill. Well, it's usually, it's usually by, well, I mean I guess it's not a distillery, but distilleries are usually by a water source. Sure. So it's probably, there's distilleries close, like thinking whiskey row. Yeah. You probably had some distilleries and you had a Rick house there, which is what went up. Yeah. But let's by a water Sure. Well, and the idea too is that back then water was probably a pretty quick way to get your product from one place to the next Exactly right. Yeah. Being on the rivers. Yeah. Especially in 1875. Yeah. Um, and we'll go ahead and stop for a second and actually enjoy a pour. yeah, we probably should do first of, we'll do it now of Irish whiskey. So we've got some yellow spot 12 year, which is honestly one of my favorites. Yeah, you actually turned me on that. I don't have a bottle, but I know that you on. I get it. Yeah, you do that sometimes and you don't. the season. I just look outside. Um, but yeah, while Jason's pouring some Irish whiskey, I'll continue talking about, uh, Irish destruction. Um, the, the fires quickly spread across narrow lanes. Um, early evacuation by people was aided by the squeals of burning pigs. This is really morbid. But, um, were the hog heads. the hog heads. Well, they're headless hogs at this point, but like the. The people in these, in the liberties neighborhood, um, everybody had pigs, and pigs were used as a, uh, easy way to rid your trash and refuse. They would just fucking eat it. or dead bodies. Yeah. Or Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, yeah. Just like a Silence of the lambs. And they're also a cheap source of meat because pigs are delicious. So, um, the fire was basically just burning lava coming down the streets from like, up on a hill. And animals, especially pigs were I guess either catching on fire or running from the flames and they're just going nuts. And then everybody's like, what the hell's going on? That's what kind of got people up and aroused and like, what the hell is this? Sure. And then that's when, I mean, you're looking at this. So from everything I read, and there's actually a couple different YouTube like videos been made. I think the original clip that you sent us on Instagram had like a clip of that one video I watched. It's almost like AI made, it's like, it's, it's almost like an AI voice. It's like an Irish voice talking. It's pretty boring. And it's also got some errors it sucks but, but there was some good points in it. There's another one that was pretty good. So from that though, like the visual you're getting here is, this is a river of fire, like it is. Flaming whiskey, but it's only two feet wide. So I guess there's just like whiskey running down the middle. It's just on fire, right? From that, I mean it's really hot, so high proof. I mean, it's glowing. So orange, blue flames coming up everywhere. Yeah, so they didn't want to use water. The fire chief then didn't want to use water. Uh, they were afraid it would make it worse. I'm not really sure so the fire chief was Captain James Roberts Ingram and he apparently was a pretty, uh, ingenuity fellow. Um, he was credited one time. Um, there was a ship coming into port in, in Ireland, I guess, and the ship had caught fire and they didn't know how to put out the fire on the ship before it would basically just like cruise into the port and make landfall and possibly crash and. And like damage a whole bunch of stuff and possibly even spread the fire, uh, mainland. So he told all his, um, his firemen to, uh, pull out the rifles and just open fire on the ship. They sh they shot the fuck out of it until it sank. Yeah. They were just like, well, the ship's lost anyway. And like at the time a lot of people were like. Dude, you're a genius. You know, like nobody else would've thought of that. It should've been like, oh, we're fucked. But, uh, coming as, we can't, we can't move. We can't move. like he was saying that like, if we throw water on there, the alcohol is lighter than water. So it's just kinda like gasoline in a, in a lake. Yeah. It's just gonna float to the top. So you pour water on there, all you're really gonna do is lift it up, but create more area for it to travel, so it's just gonna make it worse. So that's where that, that's where that idea came from. so what'd they do to try to stop it? They actually broke up the streets, they said in, in the riding. So it made me think they kind of got out there with a shovel or something. Maybe try to dig ditches to keep it from crossing, but they actually use sand and then manure. They were shoveling in the path as it was going, but that whiskey was kept going over top of that, kept going over top of that. So remember that's a key point here. Uh, so it could not be contained, um, still stands as one of the most destructive fires Dublin has ever seen. Uh, which is odd because there actually wasn't a ton of damage, like money wise, right? Yeah. But anyway. So how was extinguished finally? Um. Copious amounts of animal shit, which slowed the path and then allowed the firefighters to focus on putting out the building fires. Like they just kept, kept working I think they like talked to people and it, there was like this kind of tongue in cheek moment where it's just like this fire has ravaged their neighborhood. And people were like, Hey, it's kind of funny 'cause we're trying to get rid of shit usually, but now we're trying to find as much as we can to just throw it in town. You know the hogs? Yeah, exactly. So that's what they use. They use shit and gravel and uh, dirt and they're just like, and they just try to basically make a So with all the damage, a lot of the buildings were, or of the fire, a lot of the buildings were damaged. But really no, no. People were Nobody died. Nobody died. that. Nobody killed from the no smoke, inhalation, They were saying that like back then, you, you imagine like, you see it in like these old movies and stuff. Somebody's house is just like a series of like, you know. Planks of wood, and there's usually like a crack, like this big, you know, like four inches under there. They said like, rivers of fire were just going into people's houses and just like into their homes. And people still got away and nobody, nobody died, which is pretty, And honestly, overall it looked like minimal property damage back then, but still. Yeah. Um, so as the city burned, what did people do? Well, they, they came out there, gathered around the edges of the fire and then scooped the damn booze up. So the shit, the booze that went through the shit that was on fire. Yeah. They're out there picking it up with hats, with boots, with any container they got. Yeah. So they're gonna drink it of course a little bit later. not? They used, um, something called a inger, which I've never heard of. Well, I mean, it's basically a bowl. I had to look it up, but they kept saying, I kept saying, Inger, inger, it's a poor ridge bowl. It's just kind of spelled differently. But yeah, they come in there. Um, there was two guys. That, um, they found, I can't remember the word they used. It was a hilarious, it was like a very old timey word. It was like discombobulated or something. But like both of the guys were like just passed out on the street without any shoes. But they had the shoes like in their hands 'cause they were using boots to fill up whiskey and just chug it. And they were just like going, there was like, everybody was just going to town, just drinking whiskey from the streets, infested with shit and gravel. Well, and the problem, you look at this, so this is our yellow spot, the Irish single pot steel, 12 years old. It's only 92 proof. Uh, what do y'all think of that one right now? I love it. I love it. This is Yeah, Not a big Irish whiskey guy, but that's really good. Well, It's, it's really good. It's actually the price on this one's went up exponentially for retail in the past five years. Like when I got this bottle. It's probably 90 bucks now it's by 150. Like it just retail went up. Yeah. But the reason I look at that, so the proof 92, that's what they're used to drinking. This would be like us drinking 140 back then would be 92. Really? Yeah. So they're used to drinking lower proof, bourbon, everything's cut and everything. The reason people die, the reason these guys are passed out is all this is barrel proof. It's like this was uncut. It's like Bacardi 1 51. This This wasn't ready for release. Yeah, I'm sure it was awful, but there was actually 13 people that died. But again, not from the fire. That was from alcohol poisoning. So that's how they ended up single death not from like dysentery or whatever, Yeah, no. Which you was. all the shit Honestly, there was probably that had people had dysentery and were completely disinfected from it. Right? Eight victims were carried to Meath Hospital. 12 victims were carried to Jervis Street Hospital, three to Stevens Hospital, and one guy was carried to Mercer's Hospital. That's what is that? 24. 24 people were basically found comatose and just passed out from drinking. And like we said, that actually ended up resulting in 13 people died from alcohol poisoning. Um. those are the weak ones. Those are the people that didn't have enough. Practice this herd out a little You think though, after a while, like if you, if you took three shots of 1 51, you'd be like, oh my God. Like I couldn't, I couldn't drink I know. ever clear. Imagine three boots of 1 Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, just, yeah. Ringing your shoe laces out so you can get every drop. Yeah, you imagine how poor you gotta be to be like, I'm gonna drink shit whiskey at 1 50, Your, your woolen socks. Oh God. Stringing them out. You know, you got a lot of shit in that. Them wool and socks too. You probably could have stopped the fire flood with a wool and socks just like soak it all You changed them. Never 'cause you had one pair. yeah. Uh, they're worse than the, than the horse shit and manure and stuff. Uh, Dr. Samuel Ferguson and metal medical officials reported, uh, profound coma cases and eventual death from ingestion of high whiskey, uh, or high proof whiskey. Excuse me, Lord Mayor Peter Paul McSwiney, not Sweeney McSwane, unless I misspelled that, I'm not really sure. Um. Just I'm just thinking Sweeny Todd I know. Yeah. He praised quick evacuation. Noted that no one died from the fire itself. They kept hammering that home. It's like we were able to get everybody out safely. Everybody that died, it's their own fucking fault just because they're dumb. Um, he also said that inquest suggested that this may have happened in any city where there was a tendency to indulge immoderately in drink. Um. We're gonna be doing another recording very soon after this, uh, spill, which I'm really excited excited about it too. There's a lot of parallels here. Yeah. Yeah. And this all happens in the uk It's, it's, it's all the weird. I know. I know. It is. It's like that. Or Wisconsin. Aren't they, aren't they known for their heavy drinking there? I know. Yeah. That's hilarious. Um, there was one report of a dog apparently that got drunk. This sounds kind of like a wive's tale, but, um, supposedly a dog got drunk, started foaming at the mouth. Jumped from a window and ended its life. But they were saying this dog was just like running around like crazy. You couldn't stop it. Ran into a burning house and was just like, and they just jumped outta a window and like die. They say it was drunk, but I was like, well, I guess I'll think about it. I've done shit like that when I'm drunk. So jumped outta windows. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Out of a burning building. Yeah, that sounds, that sounds about right. Crystal Crystal meth. It's a hell of a drug. Um, so after that, I mean, they look at the final loss of everything. So it was $40,000 in damages back then, which is, today's money would be 6 million. million. So it's a lot, but it's not like an obscene amount. No. You know, you think about that. I mean, held the houses down here where we're kind of at this neighborhood, it'd be like five of them. Yeah. You know what I mean? Or, or six of Yeah. Or this one that Or this one that we're in. Yeah. Which is very good. So, and actually most of that money was in destroyed whiskey, so it really wasn't in. A lot of structures I guess back then just kind of got away from it. Yeah. What it led to though is it led to like more modern safety standards for Dublin and then the Irish whiskey, you know, trade overall. Right. Um, and actually it led to legitimate fire departments. So I guess before this it was kind of like, Hey, you wanna go stop a fire with me? You know, I can just pick somebody up. Yeah. There was no training, there was no money. You I'm like, no, I don't really feel like it. And he's like, but there's like free whiskey. And I'm like, okay. Yeah, I think I can do that. I'm too drunk. I can't go right now, but I'll come later for the, I'll come for happy hour after. So also it came, what came of this too, distilleries actually created their own fire units so they could put out these, these fires Oh really? I didn't see that. That's, Yeah. That was actually, I think it was actually from the video I watched, to tell you the truth. Okay. I appreciate it. Um, you know, in, in parallels to this is something in, in bourbon, you know, we're in Kentucky, so Heaven Hill. They had a big fire back in 96. Do you remember that? Do you remember that happened? Yeah. Like the, the river was on fire. Like it was what this talks about blue orange. I mean, it was crazy flames, right? And then it destroyed actually 10,000 barrels of whiskey. They had bourbon whiskey. Where did that come out to Well, I, I don't have money, but I do have some other stats. So it was, that was 2% of the world's whiskey Christ. That's huge. Huge. It was 15% of Heaven Hill storage capacity in their fire. They to, and it also burned up the distillery, which lost their yeast strain. That's that's huge for Um, and that's probably, that might have been when they started maybe sending off their yeast to like store and that's right. That's right. So it came into things of like, you're gonna store it offsite somewhere. You know, we did an episode, I, it just me on there with, with our friends at the mia. Yeah, right, yeah. we talked with Bruce Russell and they were talking about yeast strains. He talked to us that day and said, Jimmy Russell's like, oh, I've got another yeast strain at home. He's like, well, what happens if you, it's in the freezer? He's like, well, what happens if your electricity goes off? He goes, oh, my brother's got one at his house too. He goes, they're on the same grid. Like, you know, going down. it. Yeah, so Heaven Hill didn't have any backup. So what happened there? Jim Beam was nice enough to give 'em one of theirs. So if you, if you see people looking on like the secondary markets or something, uh, you'll see pre-fire, heaven Hill, any of those labels are worth a lot more 'cause it has the original yeast strain and then since then you have kind of a nuttiness. So Jim Beam has that nuttiness flavor. Uh, heaven Hill. A lot of people has picked that up on because of that. Right. So the reason I bring that up though is just 'cause it's, it's very similar, right? I mean, same thing was a lot of parallel there. think they'll learn the first time, but Yeah, exactly. Um, Nobody was in the Kentucky River though, drinking up that. hell no. Hell no. No, no, no. I, I, I, I wanna say there was like a lot of lawsuits from that one too, from like the smoke damage and shit. I mean, it was, it was ravaging, but I remember watching on like WYMT or local, you know, news station and seeing that for a couple days, like the River on Could you imagine drinking outta the Kentucky River? No. Wouldn't No, I wouldn't like fishbone and like arms and legs. Just like floating mud. Yeah. To pick outta your teeth. Just like sticks and fucking uh, um, there was actually a whiskey that wa was, came out, that came out to commemorate Oh, really? I didn't see that. Okay. 2014, Um, it was called Flaming Pig. Um, and I don't actually, it a metal. Bam. I and, and it could be too, but I think Flaming Pig might be, um, the name of the distillery. Gimme one never heard of it, but there's a lot of 'em over there that I don't, I'm not aware of. Like I'm not a big Irish whiskey connoisseur, but I really like this one. Get a little That's so good. I, I love it. They do some other ones. They do a green spot, yellow spot, red spot. They're all different aged, uh, but they're all single pot still to my knowledge. So, yeah. Here you go. It's Flaming Pig is actually the brand of whiskey. So that's the, that's the name of it. I didn't know, I didn't know if it was a bottle. It was actually a brand, but yeah. Flaming Pig came out in 2014 and it was actually named after the, the Dublin Whiskey Fire. That's That's awesome. I never heard of died in the fire, but because they were saved by flaming pigs, I feel like you should, you should have got us this bottle map for Yeah, it's, uh, we've got a, a couple of pieces of content coming up where I wish we had a friend in the UK that could Yeah, Yeah. well, I have family in the uk so Well I got family in UK too. It's here in Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. It's me. One of my, I think one of my cousins works in a bar in, in that's shocking. You're telling me there's people that drink in London? No. Well, you said people in the UK are known for overconsumption. yeah. Yeah. Do you know the drinking age in, in Ireland? I don't know if it's the same with, it's 18, it's 16 if you're in a restaurant. Wow. Like sitting down with like a a, it said it with a meal. Right. I guess like if you're eating, then you can drink when you're 16. Yeah. Well I went to Europe on a high school trip when I was 15 and, um, the, one of the consents that they sent home was because alcohol is part of the culture when you're in Europe. Do you consent to have your child like to have a glass of wine or something or whatever with a meal? and you're like, fuck yeah, Well, mom, dad, sign being the business that my dad was in, like we, you know, we would drink wine, you know, I'd have a little bit of wine with dinner or whatever every once in a while, but, so he signed the consent. Everybody in our group did. And I went to, we were in London, and so I met up with my uncle. I'm 15 years old. I'm tall from my age then, so we go to a pub and watch a rugby match and he got us two pints and we literally just sat there and drank. Nobody batted an eye. Nobody looked at us sideways. But what we ended up doing the rest of that trip is using that consent to basically drink at will. So. which is what you should do. That's what you Yeah. I mean, so we, we went across like seven different countries in Europe, just drinking wherever we could. Don't I've got a consent. Don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. I'm too young to drive, so Yeah, I'm safe. Don't worry. Uh, that's fucking awesome, man. That's the Dublin whiskey fire. Pretty, pretty interesting. Yeah, you never hear about it. It was very everybody died. Yeah, that's cool. So, and the Irish whiskey's pretty good. We talked about doing an Irish whiskey, um, like Spiller episode We have, we need to actually based on that yellow spot, which is fucking amazing, dude. It is. It's just they gotten so pricey right now. Again, there's a red spot. I think it's their top one. They might have some different ones. They got like green, red, and yellow for sure. not even seen the red one. It's, it's in like a tube. Like a, a tin tube. Well here's to fucking drunks over in the uk. Cheers. You crazy. Motherfuckers don't drink shit in your whiskey. Yeah. Or do whatever. Uh, thanks for tuning in. If you liked it, then uh, share it. If you didn't, then just keep drinking till you do. For more arsenic culture, you can check us out on all the socials we are @arsenicculture. Like and subscribe on YouTube. We'll see you on the next one.