Breweries or Babysitters? The Kids in Taprooms Debate| Ep. 137

It’s one of the most heated debates in craft beer culture: should kids be welcome in breweries, or should taprooms stay adults-only?

In this episode of Arsenic Culture, Matt, Jason, Drew, and Pierre take on the “crotch goblin” question with their usual mix of humor and honesty. From breweries that embrace families to taprooms that feel like bars, the guys share their own takes as parents (and non-parents) on where kids do (and don’t) belong in drinking spaces.

Where do you stand: family-friendly breweries, or keep it 21+?

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If your kid is unruly, then maybe like, if you like tell us about a kid, you get a free beer. You know what I mean? Or actually The person that tells you about it, you gotta give their kid a beer. Oh Yeah. Right. Welcome back to Arsenic Culture. I am Matt. This. I'm Jason. I'm Drew. I'm Pierre. I had to give you the look. I didn't know you. I didn't know if you knew I was introduce. was still I like, you go ahead. Yeah, he is Pierre are here to pump you up. Pierre's been on the last four episodes, so he is a mainstay today. Um, welcome back. Yes, Today we're talking about brewery crotch. Goblins. We are. That's actually we are. So let's get into our crotch goblins. Uh, we are actually talking about breweries, and this is a, this is a highly debated topic and I to, to, to get Um, Jason, do you have kids? No. No. Yes. One, I think one, Yeah. Pierre, do you have any kids? I do not. Drew. You got kids. One child. I've got one child. Our childs are actually best friends. my child's in hopefully college. Yeah. Our chillings. Um, here's the question. What is your all's opinion on having kids at breweries? Well, my opinion depends on me opening this beer and I'm, I'm not doing very well at that. I'm gonna give us that let give that opinion while I tend to work on this for you. I think I, I'm gonna go, I'm, I'll go a lot, I'll come back around to me, but still I'm gonna talk a little bit about it, like You're okay. So it depends. So my son Garrett is 18, so he's in college. We moved him into University of Kentucky this But, um, we never had him out too much as a younger child, like I would say when he was 10. We'd have 'em out often, but the brewery scene wasn't quite as rampant eight years ago. Eight years ago as it is well, I have, I have I have a Country boy shirt on local brewery, but I would never take him to Country Boy in, you know, chair Avenue. Not with like that's not a kid friendly brewery now. Country Boy in Georgetown, kid Friendly West Six. Definitely kid friendly West Six Farm, more kid friendly. Yeah, Mere twin used to be with a cage kid friendly, you know? The jail. Yeah, kid jail. ethereal was always kid friendly. Outside, inside, whatever. But I think it depends, like when you, when I take, when we threw our son out, we were younger, so like we're talking, he's four, three to three to 10. So he wasn't the best. Well behaved, like he wasn't the most behaved Shockingly, but Shockingly, if we went out, what? What turned us off the first time we went out after we had Garrett. So when he was born, me and Angie went out to the shades. Remember the Oh man. On the corner. Oh yeah, I remember the shades. Yeah. So we went Outfitters had a seat up there, a table up there by the window, like had a reservation by the window, had a dinner planned out. Just having a good time out. And I'll be damned if there was a table to our left. I'll never forget it. And this kid was literally running around the damn I mean, making circles. I just yelling and, and the mom and dad's just like, oblivious. God. And you want to just like, stick your foot I wanna, well, first I wanna punch the parents, then I wanna lightly trip the kid and catch like a trap and just throw 'em in there. But, and then, you know, put masking tape over the mouth too, or whatever or electrical tape. But. throw him away. Yeah. I, I realized at that point we cannot take our son out and be those parents. Yes. So anytime we took our son out and we tried many times he would act up some, it just happens kids. It happens. But wait, are you telling me there's a sense of social accountability for going out with your own family members? That's what I say. I don't believe that. No. no. So what we would do at that point is like, look. Let's get our food to go. Like, you know, you go to the car with Garrett or I'll go to the car with Garrett, we'll get her food to go. We're leaving. I don't wanna make everybody else's not miserable. screw this, you know? So we had that sense, uh, because of that night. The shades. So breweries, I'll come back to, go ahead Pierre. What do you think? Man, It's It's for somebody who doesn't have any It's for somebody who doesn't have any kids. But I have also worked in the food industry now as a professional chef. For Uh, yes. All timely, all time. Absolutely. And especially it's not a but it's still like a, a venue serve alcohol. Yeah. Uh, we have food, we serve alcohol. Like it's still the same thing. And even then before at an even smaller location, um, it's difficult, you know, having a child who's. Disruptive or upset or whatever the case may be, they're children. Uh, it's hard. So you, you tend to just, most people read the room. They take their child outside, calm their child down, the rational people The rational people do go to the car, um, at breweries, I feel like it is, uh, it's a weird, it's a weird world sometimes, man. It can be It does. It does feel like when you go to breweries, a lot of times parents. of a free for all. We will assume that like, kids can run around and, and there's something about breweries, like breweries specifically where they just let their kids run around. Like it's fricking Chuck E. Cheese. He then asks kids. Yeah, yeah. Like, but uh, you don't see that. You wouldn't go to, um, you wouldn't go to like Tony's and see Absolutely. And honestly, I feel like at a brewery it could be a little more socially acceptable. Uh, in a weird way, I feel like people are just like, it's like kids and dogs. Yes. That's exactly it. So I feel like people are just like, oh, it's a child. They're just, they're just running around. They're not bothering anything. But I you wouldn't see that at Tony's, you wouldn't even see that at Shamrocks. Right you of would I guess, not as Roadhouse Depends. food depends. Exactly. feel like at a restaurant, it's, it's honestly dangerous. Very, because you have somebody running around with food, hot food especially Shout out Mintons at 7 0 1 National Yeah. man Yeah. shameless plug. I love you guys. Uh, but nonetheless, plug it. It's also just one of those things like you have to genuinely think about that. Yeah. And when you have children running around, especially children who are unaccounted for Yeah. Uh, you have, you have to be extra careful and in a situation where you're already being extra careful, it's not something we get paid to do. I think, I think you hit the nail on the head there. You said accountable. Yes. Right. And accountable is the work. Absolutely. Who's accountable is the fucking, pardon my language. Matt's Oh God. mom. effing parents. It's the fucking parent. Sorry. Matt's mom. Parents? Yes. So, you know Meir Twin, who's a brewery I, I I love here in Lexington. No, no offense to you They've created a great space. They did. And what they did is they actually let this park go. So it's no longer there. But they had the kids zoo essentially. Yes. Thank you for saying this. You had, uh, that was to anybody these like bars, metal bars around the square. It was the yard kids like grass. It was. Yeah. So it was prison. It was like, it's like a dog park for your kids. You open the door, throw'em in, lock it back. it also only like 30 square feet. was not very big. And the fence it was uh, feet high. And somehow these three year olds were hulking their way through the bars and They were bending them. Yeah. Yeah And I that's why was that movie? What was the movie called? Something The Lord of the Flies. The book Oh yeah. Oh yeah what it was in there. Like the biggest kid wins. They had more paint on, know. Yeah, did. they elected a leader and like They actually had elections in there. I, for two hours, that weren't they killed few, that two hours of being at the brewery, man was life changing You know? It's a different world. It brutal times. Brutal. I'm not same on the outside. You know, I I feel like that that situation, like parents feel like that absolves them of any of that responsibility. They're like I never felt like that. Did you grow? I mean, like with the kick. Kid growing up, I'm the, you mean me growing up? Or like with either one? Oh, first off, I know me growing up, mom and dad would bust my ass. God. That ain't I would've been, that was a different generation. I would've been off the ground my ass I am. I jerked up with one arm somebody's smacking my, ass. One Ah, I of, yeah, yeah, I was of the generation as well that uh, when I went to school, it's like, oh, my son's not doing his work. Don't worry about calling. I got, don't worry about it. I got you. No problem. Just call me, gimme a call. Wait till we get home, honey. No, not even that. My mom, my mom was different. She comes to school. Oh, you are in class. Cool. I got you. We, I'm gonna sit in class with you. Really? Oh, love I love it. Okay. Yeah. Oh, we're, uh, here. Oh, why are you here? Oh, well I heard you weren't doing your homework. Oh, well, shit. looking over got more hours of this shit. Yeah, man. Yeah. my mama. I didn't have, it was bad, man. It bad. I learned my lesson pretty quick, be Yeah. Well, but like, I, I think that's, you know, people, you got like young adults who wanna get out you know, they wanna get out and be social great and have beer support your local breweries or restaurant, No no No, problem with that. fine. However, comes with a caveat. There's like an asterisk, does. Yes, sir. You have to have some personal responsibility. if your kid starts acting like an asshole. You have to do something about that. You can't just go, oh, it's just being Timmy, I kids. Mm, a, I'm employee at this restaurant. I'm not your babysitter. No. Right. Is that a, so is that a generational thing?'cause we talked about our parents, how they would've reacted in that situation. I react the same way. And Garrett younger, I do too, but, but people don't. I do don't know. I don't know if it's generational as much as it is the parent. I feel like it's, honestly, I feel like it's, I do feel like it's the, it's the parent. But why are there so many parents that do that now? Why? Why has it become more acceptable to let your And I that's the problem. I'm, I'm gonna take a very, um, unpopular opinion I have I have a minor, I one class away from a double major in, in psychology. And I look at this and I think there's a lot of psychologists that say, oh, the kid has to like soThe themselves, act out. That's bullshit. Yep. I'm sorry. I'm gonna be very unpopular with you wanna do it at home, great and have fun, go at it. But when you're out in public and your kid is interfering with 30 other people, that's a problem. like today, my wife and I went out to eat. We had a brunch at Wild Eggs and Hamburg. Mm-hmm. No problem. So when we're getting seated at our table, there's a kid up there doing like break dancing in the floor, Was he TikTok or just Oh, Back and forth and back and forth. We can't even get to our table or booth to sit down.'cause he is like, and my thought is, in the way, you're not gonna trip me. Like, I'll probably break your leg if I step on it, but I don't want to. And also like, But probably five. he's obviously but the mom and her friend are just sitting there in the bed just, just talking. I'm like, do you not see this shit? Like, come on. Like you have to govern yourself and your own child, like. It's hilarious. I'm not, it's not right. It's not my responsibility no. to parent your kids. watch out for your kid. And if say, well, here's the worst part, if I would've said something, if I would've said, Hey, your kid's in the way. Yes sir. What do you, how do you think mom All of a sudden it's like you, tell me how to raise I'm an asshole. It's like, dude, I'm trying not to kill your kid. I don't wanna break their leg when I step on their knee and break it. Like, what if I'm just rushing in and just not paying attention, just a hundred percent having or what? What? You're still the asshole. What if you have a tray of food and you can't the Yes. My, yeah. I mean, there's problems. There's problems there. There's problems. You have to have some accountability. I get it. You can't watch your kid every second every day. I get it. I get that. But that's Yeah. but that's not, not the same. You're, that's not, you're sitting there. If Pierre's my kid and he's acting up acting crazy and I'm this close to him, how the hell don't I see that? I see it. It's my choice to not interact with that. lot of say. They're gonna soThe themselves. They'll figure it out. They can figure it out at home, not out in public. If if don't spank your children, that's your own prerogative. If you don't put your children time out, that's your own prerogative. A hundred percent. That is your choice. Yep. I was from the generation of spare, the rods spoil the child. I got spanked. Yeah. I felt like I turned out perfectly fine. But with that being said, I also felt like, yeah, my mom was able to talk to me percent most of those times. And one time in particular, which I find very funny. It was a time that I threw a temper tantrum as a kid in a, in a store because I seen a small girl throw a temper tantrum in the store for candy, and it worked. Her mom was like, oh oh yeah. My was like, oh, you know, cool. I'll give you candy. And I was like, Ooh. That worked. Wait a minute. Oh, that's different. That's a cheat code. Wait a I gotta, your mom's yeah, like wait a second. And I was like, I got this. So I throw this temper tantrum, fall out on the floor. She's like, okay, gotcha. that's the worst. they're like my ass up and she gave me ass whoop. She's like, you get your ass up and don't do that again. And I like, you ain't got nothing. You know, gimme me candy. I don't know what did, but what I did didn't work. So you and he goes, you're going trick or treat. And I get 90%. Come Yeah. so I mean, for real. I get the tax It was just one of those things. It was just, it, it worked. And I, I just, even as a child, I knew that I got stopped by the police for burning paper, burning a book, something dumb as a, as a kid as you always do. Sure. And the first thing he said, you're a minor. You gotta go home. We gotta take you home. Anywhere but home. I'm anywhere. Oh, yeah. please I have I don't have a home. You're joking. But where we going for real though? Don't take me home, go to What's your mom's name? What's phone number? No, no, no. Take me jail. Yeah We can we can go jail. Like, and he laughed at me. And I'll never forget that, that was the one thing that really stuck with me. So when he took me home, he said to my mom, I think he learned his lesson. Uh, and he's like, no, he didn't. And it's fine. He told my mom, he's like, he asked me to go to jail about five times. He was like, he really didn't want to come home. And my, and my mom was also just like, I think you might have learned your lesson. So I really didn't get in trouble for it. But also at the same time, like. I, it's all up to the parent. Like at the end of the day, it, it is a child. You have to treat a child like a child. But at the same time, a child needs to learn. You gotta what can be, what can happen in so certain social There's so many parents yes, especially in a situation that where you just, you don't, you don't know so many things. Danger from a service coming through with full hands server, uh, somebody you don't know. Like, I mean, there's so many different situations where a child should just be like, Hey, you know what? I should probably stay with. Parent unless I'm told not to. You know, I don't think we would condone like necessarily me and you both. I'll speak for you a little bit, but I don't think we condone like, you know, spanking your child if that's, that might not work. Of course not. That might not work. Like our, we have a dog at home, so we have a husky. Absolutely. If you spank that husky or if you like give like punitive actions to him. He's worse. Yep. You know what I mean? So we've that yep. You have to like, you know, do whatever works for him. But I can't let my child or dog, whatever, act crazy out in public. Right. And disrupt everybody's time. So for the brewery purpose, you got, you gotta be careful with your kid. Like if your kid can be behaved out, help bring 'em all, bring 50. Yep, But if they can't and they're tripping me up and I'm drinking beer, what do you think's going to happen? I mean, me and four beers. I'm okay, but I'm not a hundred percent. You know, I'm not agile. I mean, I was gonna say I'm not agile. Anyway, you somebody who's not steady on their feet and has one beer. Yeah. And they are somebody older and just gets stripped up by a kid by like, but yeah, but but Jason, like you're six foot four. And so like if you oh 7 seven, 13, you know, if you're sitting there with your beer and you're talking to a friend at eye level and you just turn and do something and this kid comes right through, you're taking that kid out, that kid's taking, taking you out. And you're probably gonna need that kid in the face, cause of your height, Like they're hurt and I'm falling. I mean, absolutely. Yeah. And so, you know, that's one of those things and the parent, you're trying to look around find out whose kid this is because the parent is paying no that would be the first thing I do Right. Exactly. And so like that part to me is frustrating and I think is you parents need to know their kids. To know, like, okay, Same thing with your Yeah. When you go out, you're not gonna act a fool. If you act like an idiot, we're gonna go back home. taking you out. Yeah. And you know, that's part of the learning process for children, right? That's how you do anything. I your kid's known to run, then you wouldn't bring your kid out somewhere public. If dog's known to bite, you wouldn't bring your dog out somewhere in public. I got two things to say. First of all, to, uh, never say Die bourbon. I, our official sponsor for, uh, making this show. the second half A A real thing because we couldn't do it without sponsors, but, uh, say die. Uh, bourbon great stuff. 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And they don't watch their so. Should kids be allowed in breweries because this is where we are in society. Like for some reason there are a lot of people that just don't watch their kids. I don't know why. Maybe that's a different episode. I can't figure out why, but it happens and we see it and it is frustrating. And I also think there are, there's two types of kids. I hear a lot of people complaining about babies. I don't get that. Thank you, don't think babies, I only babies not problem crying like see people getting pissed off about babies, like crying and being in the general vicinity. I love it. I think it, it's toddlers, it's little kids like It's, like it's like it's a 3, it's those, it's those three to 6, 3, 8 to eight to nine, kind of like in a lot of cases anyway, where they can just, they are mobile. And they are mobile. In your personal yes, you are at the prime age at, uh, of adventure where you want to experience you want, And if kid, if parents can't control their kids, should the bureaucracy so to speak should like, did you say bureaucracy? Yeah, I bureau bureaucracy. Yeah. Nice one. Should like, should the business, should they say like, no kid's allowed? Like should that be a thing? Because there's a lot of people think that. Think it should be. What do you think Drew? Um, man, I think, again, I'm big on personal responsibility. We, we took Ava out to a restaurant, a nice restaurant where we go with our families all the time. Um, Osaka, a little sushi place here in Lexington, right? Um, we took Ava out the first time when she was two weeks old, right. She's in a little chair, carrier, like carrier, whatever. Um. Just to see how it would go and if she had started crying, we're gonna take her out. Yeah. We'll get the rest of our stuff to go. And we'll figure it out, you know? But I feel like the breweries, and to an extent, sometimes the restaurants yet obviously they want people to come out to their place, right? I mean, they want, they need the money. They want money and patronage and all that stuff, but they wanna make it accessible so they can make it a family friendly environment. But the parents who come out are just like, cool. We're here. My, my kid's over there somewhere. I'm just gonna sit and have a beer or five or whatever and just hang and talk with my friends and not give a damn about what their kid's doing. Mm-hmm. And I personally, like I've never had to spank my child. She's 13. All I do is give her a look. Yep And when I give her the look, She's like, Hmm. And honestly, I haven't had to give her that look in about five years. Yeah. Because when I do it, she, she knows that when I, like, I'm a, I'm being serious. It's not a joke. Um, 'cause I, I'm a very kind person, but like, I have that, that, that bad side of me. And so I just look at her, I'm like, don't ever do that again. You know? Yeah. And so she understands that. Not every kid is like that. I get that too, from a parenting and a learning standpoint. However, as a parent, you have to then go, okay, well I want to go out, but my kid's a badass kid. What can I do? Well, you need to get a babysitter for your kid and you can then go out to the, to the, to the bar the brewer or whatever and hang with your friends and then come home to that bad kid, you know? So what do you do though, when that person decides, I'm gonna bring my kid out anyway, and that kid's in your personal space when you're out. Without your kid, oh, I've done this many times and I don't care. You punch the kid. Yeah, yeah. You kick them in the yards. And then, uh, checks I think it's one of those things too, like you look at, so are, should there be allowed in breweries or not? I think it depends. I think it's the best answer I could give. But the other part of that is it's like recess in grade school, right? So if you go out to recess and one kid acts up. Or if you're in class and one kid acts Yep. It spoils it for everybody. So I think that's what happens in some of the breweries. So I was talking to that's actually, is that valid? That's a valid point. What is that happening? Yeah, so I was talking to Bill earlier, so Zilla coa Ziko, he just said this off. Where did Asheville, he went over there, so he texted me too. But, uh, in Asheville, North Carolina, they don't allow kids at the brewery because of that. Irresponsible parents plus Zi is, go ahead, sorry. Zi coa, great location, but it's also close to the river. Yeah, the creek. But like, but But it can be river, but here's thing, Zi coa is wide open, so ironically, of like family nights kind thing, you know, Like of all the breweries, you would think they would be the last one to do it because it's essentially 100% open air. Like they're basically outside There's no seats inside LA before the flood. I yeah, but at the same time they did get washed away by the flood ziko. Love you guys. They're coming back. So go check them out over in shout out Beautiful, Asheville, not Nashville. Yeah. Uh, one time Jason tried to order a pizza from Nashville while we That's allegedly, I'm just saying. Awesome awesome. Um, edibles may or may not have been involved, but anyways, uh, yeah, you would think of all the places, like they would've been like, okay with that because it's just. It's just open air free reign. But the fact that they decided to kind of lock down on that is kind of interesting. Kind of makes gotta look at it so they have so much responsibility there. So when you have water, a source of water there, like river, a creek, whatever, you kids could drown. Yeah, absolutely. So, pardon my language, or pardon my phrase, your dumb ass parents who have no control or awareness of their kids. letting them go off by If they're going off of themselves and there's no barrier to the water, what do you think happens? I mean, they can drown. So whose fault's that? Oh, Zyl coa. They wouldn't watching them. Like, it's mom dad's like, what? What hell? Like, Yeah Well you have to think that does become an insurance liability and you know then Exactly. It's so should they ban and our, I mean, I I to go back to what you all were saying about kids tripping you up, that's a liability too. It is. What do you think Pierre should demand? Kids? Should they have them? Uh, Here's what's, here's what makes it complicated, because from a restaurant perspective, the kids are the draw for parents. A lot of restaurants. Yeah. A lot of restaurants will cater to kids brewery, to get them in. it's draw there It's It's, a big reason of why I came up with the cards. Yeah. You know, honestly, because it's like seeing a kid light up. Collectible when I served, being able to give a kid, uh, a random Pokemon card or something like that, as I served that table, it immediately changed the whole mood of that table and it just changed the whole dynamic of everything. And so, but that's, you like thinking outside thing that's, that's everybody does that and nor necessarily should you have to Absolutely, and that's the thing. So I'm sort of catering to a niche market of the audience. So I'm trying to make it better for parents who are coming out with their kids just because I'm nice. I want, I want parents who come out with their kids to be able to enjoy themselves. I want the kid to have fun. I want it to all be a smooth experience.'cause you get a lot of parents who come out with kids, especially out to eat. It can be difficult. I get that. I but a lot of different with a restaurant versus a brewery. Here's why. Restaurant can have alcohol. Breweries always have alcohol, Well, 99% of the time, no. Absolutely. when you mix alcohol with kids and unruliness with, you know, over consumption, no matter if they're in a meaning to serve'em or not, it's, it's a problem. marketing approach is the exact same in my opinion though, because often, more often than not, the kids decide where the family goes out to eat. A hundred percent. Yeah. When you're, you are a family and you have kids and you have to stay together. Granted, you can get babysitters a lot of times, but it's easier not to. So when you can find a quote unquote, family friendly let's go out to eat. Mom and dad want to go to, um, italics. You know, we want to go to a Frank Andino's. Yeah. Ain't no fucking kid want to go sit down, have a hundred dollars plate of Well, they might want to go, but they want chicken tenders and fries. Right. that's the other thing only that, they wanna make noise. and They wanna play, they wanna run around. I need crayons. that So, so all of a sudden they're like, where are the kids gonna enjoy themselves so that we can enjoy themselves? a lot of restaurants will have kid friendly menus. They'll have kid friendly like. Agenda, like items they give that I work. Okay. When I was younger, I worked ATAs and waited tables and uh, we did like a thing. This was partially my I like krabs. you remember, uh, the rubber bands that were in like Shape of Animals and like that. Like we started giving those out to and all of a sudden kids would be like, Hey, mom and dad, I wanna go to Carabas to eat because get free rubber bands. That's a draw. I think the appeal is the same even for breweries to be like, okay, granted you're coming here to drink beer. If you could go anywhere you want to go and your kids are gonna decide to come here, let's build a playpen for the kids outside where they can play. then sudden, here's the thing, when you come to a brewery, all sudden the playpen becomes a thing of like, like evil. And Well it's like, it's like a dog park that you throw your rot Waller in and also throw your chihuahua I don't Yeah, you're but no, I mean it seriously, but you're exactly right. It's crazy in there. If I had to be honest, I would say no, but I would say no on the. Uh, restaurant aspect of it, I would say yes on the brewery aspect of it. So you think kids should be not allowed at restaurant not allowed. I think kids should be not allowed at breweries and allowed Okay. Yes. And allowed restaurants opposite. Yeah. I just, because if I had to differentiate between two and say one's a No, I would agree with that. Even if a restaurant sold out, there's more alcohol mixed in, in, in breweries and there is restaurants, I Yeah. Shall I say? yeah. you know, the other thing I, I would think about with this sort of, these people who don't pay attention to their kids, Is. What happens, like when, let's say, uh, a kid's running around and they trip and they run into somebody, they cause some, somebody spills beers or food or whatever. It's, Yeah. Yeah. If the somebody who works an employee of that brewery says something to the parent, the child first like, oh, are you okay? And then goes and says something to the parent, I feel like. We're gonna have like Karen, you know, come out and then like you're gonna get a bad Yelp review, or somebody's gonna put you on blast on Facebook Karen. Or Kevin's gonna have something to say about it for sure because that person was caring for the safety of the child. Right. But also the safety of everybody else in the damn brewery. I know. You know? Yeah. So, like, I feel like those people would overreact so much to their own kid who they were. It's almost not responsible foresight on, on behalf of the brewery to not to prevent that event from ever happening. Right. A hundred percent. Like I, I don't wanna say Ava, you can't come to the brewery because I know Ava's gonna behave herself. I know Finley's gonna behave herself. like. I don't, Jason won't behave himself, but like never Yeah. Yeah. But it's I like I got kicked out when that was last year. I think when I Yeah, but Matt Matt would put me in the playpen. You know, I just He to Hulk outta the Just steps over the steps over the Like, got kicked a few. You know, I drinking a beer in there. I don't know. But you know, I, that's the thing that it's, it's hard because I agree that like we gotta do something about it. But I don't want to like punish myself my child knows how to act. She act like fool, you know? And so so. do I think they should be allowed? I honestly do. I think they should be allowed after all I've said about it. But I think there has to be some responsibility, more responsibility, there has to be some sort of ground rules. the parents. Like, you know, you don't have to tell me as an adult, even when I was, so my son's 18, so even when I was like 25, whatever, I had him, he, you didn't have to tell me to watch him. And that's like if I took out, like, holy shit. Like yeah. If my son's acting up, I'm more embarrassed. and upset I agree. anybody restaurant. I promise you. we keep going back to that like I under Yeah, I the people who sit in the restaurant and let their kid act a fool and just continuously act up. And it's like you, He's, he's upset. You gonna take him outside? He's okay. Well, I think it's, I think it's the difference, like raising your kids. So like in my opinion, it's more new school, you know, of course. Younger parents. Absolutely. I'm not saying they're wrong or right. No, I agree. But it's just different. They could be a hundred percent right. I, I, I, I think my way's better, they think their way's better is fine. But when I'm trying out methods to make my child, you know, adhere to social norms, yep. I can't do that in a public place and let everybody go to hell. Yes. Just to help my kid just because Yes, that's exactly like, it's not me. Like I just to let him learn a lesson, it justt work him, my dog. If we, we took our dog one time, our husky out to mere twin, it did. really well. That might have been the biggest mistake of your life That was the only time he's ever been out to brewery. I'm like, Angie's like, he's so cute. He'll be fine. I'm like, okay. 13 minutes later, one beer would just pour the beer out, like, screw this. We're going, you know, like he just barking every kid, every dog he wants to play, but he just not built for that. You know what I mean? He just exactly. So you have to realize that I think they should be allowed, but there's a lot of governance, a lot of responsibility. I We, we keep talking about like what we, we understand what should do. It's just like, how do we should other people, should we govern other people's kids for them because they are not. not. Because you can't, yeah. It's dangerous I feel like there, said something about, we were talking about maybe there should be some ground rules. Maybe there should be some like rule every rule, every rule is being created because something happened. But that's what I'm saying, like there should be like, um, okay, what's the gym where you go to and if you like, make a lot of noise, like Planet Fitness You go to Planet Fitness, right. There's social responsibility built in. I'm not saying I agree with it, I've never been there, but they call it the lu alarm. If you go in there and you lift heavyweight and you make lot of noise. They fucking sound an alarm off and they embarrass you, so you stop doing it. But it's for the, I guess, quote unquote protection of the people because they don't want to feel intimidated. Go in there. That's the whole point. The idea is that you create a scenario to where it's like everybody shun those people. Everybody will be like encouraged to engage in social awareness. Otherwise you're gonna be ostracized. Yeah. There is something to that. I feel like you don't need to sound a fucking alarm, but like there could be some like ground rules laid out. If your kid is unruly, then maybe like somebody there, there's some sort of like thing set up like, Hey, if you like tell us about a kid, you get a free beer. know what I mean? And if you tell us about a kid, the person who bought the, the person who owns that kid gets one less Yes, exactly. They have to pay for your beer or something, but they gotta They gotta pay for that beer. Yeah, That's the point. Or actually the person that tells you about it, you gotta give their kid a beer. right. you gotta You gotta give 'em like actually that shot, that kid gets the, uh, and a cigarettes, what's the, the old school, uh, prank gum kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. You just give him one of those No, I said just go ahead give him a shot and a cigarette. Like calm down. But like, yeah, I, I think there is, there is something to that, maybe to where you can encourage social awareness to where people are encouraged to do the right thing, but like everybody's on board with it, make it so that like, it's socially acceptable to do that. It's, it's for the good of society. I mean really the good do to the community, that immediate community anyway. Know the way I see it too, like, I mean, there's different ways to parent your kid. Totally get that, different ways to make things socially acceptable. But if you're in a meeting, if me or you're sitting in a meeting, I can't get up and like dance around and like start cussing people out or like. You know, whatever. Throw my hands up and nail. Like I need to pay attention. I need, I need to we'll be like, oh, that's just Jason. fine. Say, oh, He is fine. He is He's fine But at some point I get it. If you want to parent your kid that way, it's fine. Perfectly fine with me. It might work. Well. Keep at keep him home. Yeah. When I'm trying to do my own thing. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, let me give it a shout out to Alex at Prestige LeDroit for, uh, supplying us with the imaginary KISS IPAs IPAs from the veil. Appreciate you, Alex. Those were quite tasty. What'd you guys think about those? Very tasty. was delicious. I think it's very good. Honestly, we had some homes too. bottle club 2025. It's pretty good, sir. Pretty good. Maybe not as good as I thought it'd be, but it was still pretty good. This one's actually, um, triple mashed, 24 hour boil, aged in four roses and a and l I'm gonna tell that is, but handpick buffalo traced bourbon barrels for 31 months finished on vanilla beans. Absolutely. So love that. but y'all love that hat by the way. Thank you sir. Thank you. sir So shout out to Holmes. You shout out to. Also shout out to never say Die. Yes. Yeah, that bourbon fantastic. Thank you guys for sponsoring their episode. I love these guys. It's so good. We're getting arrested for drinking it. I know It's a crime drinking. It wasn't us We not act up in a brewery, I swear Appreciate you all night. guys, thanks for, uh, watching. If you liked it, please share it. Um, for more arsenic culture, you can check us out on all the socials we are @arsenicculture like, and subscribe on YouTube baby. Yeah. we'll see y'all in the next one.