STOP Pretending You Need A Glencairn | Ep. 145

Does your bourbon, beer, or wine actually taste better in a fancy glass, or is that just pretentious hype? From Red Solo cups to Glencairns, beer boots to wine stems, the Arsenic Culture crew debates whether proper glassware really changes the experience.

In this episode, Matt and Jason swap stories about their own glassware habits (and bad decisions), from tailgates with Solo cups to fancy bourbon pours. Do glasses make a real difference, or can you drink out of a boot and call it good?

Do you think glassware actually matters…or is it all marketing BS?


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Anybody tells you that you have to use a glen of taste, can use a boot. You can use, oh, Greg's boot, baby. Ol Gregg. Ol Gregg. Yeah. You can use a hat, whatever you want. Sock. Welcome back to Arsenic Culture where beers don't count, but Jason's bad decisions do. I'm Matt. I have never made a bad decision, but I'm Jason. is the one with the bad decisions. How you doing man? Doing good. Alright, so I noticed, uh, when we get together and we hang out and, and you're having a beverage that you're, uh, you drink exclusively out of red solo cups. That's how I roll baby. That's my, that's my is, why is that, my jug of choice. Your jug of choice. Is there something about the red solo cup that makes your beverage, your drinking taste better? Yeah. Toby Keith wrote a song, RIP, Toby Keith, but he wrote a song about red solo cup. So I just figured, hell, You just in memoriam, like in per Perpetual, just like always drinking reds again in You know? You know the story behind that. The song though, right? What is it? So he was challenged by like some other song makers of like, I bet you can't make a red or a hit out of a song about whatever bullshit they did. They said Red Solo company That's got, I didn't actually know that. that's awesome. It be a myth, but that's what I've heard. So that would actually be pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Uh, well, let me ask you this. Have you ever, uh, had one of your fancy beverages out of a glass? We don't have any glasses here. I know. Yeah. I Yeah. So, yeah, man, I've got, I, I like you. I don't have mine displayed like this, but I have way too many fancy beer glasses. I have some fancy bourbon glasses and fancy wine glasses. I have tried 'em all and I've tried the red solo cups. Yes. How about you? Uh, I do enjoy the red solo cup on occasion, especially in the, uh, proper venue tailgating. Yeah. Field party from 1994 or bonfire talk. bonfire tower than me. Yeah. Um, yeah. Tailgating obviously do red solo cup. but So there is a, um, there is some science behind it. There is some pretentiousness behind it. Does the glass you're drinking out of matter? Does it? Great question. I think it is a good question, but I think it. Does. But I also think that it doesn't, and it kind of depends on what you have. Um, like what's in the glass. Um, and then it depends on the glass itself. Um, I think a big one for me and, and we're drinking a lot of bourbon. I think I've, I've not shifted to bourbon, but I drink a lot more bourbon than I have in the past, like recently. So one I'm gonna open here. This is just a weller, foolproof, uh, store pick from Jackson Wine and Spirits. It's actually one of the better, um, Weller foolproof picks I've had. So, What are you pouring that Weller foolproof in? gonna pour it in a glen care glass. is a glen? Karen, it's this shape. right? It's for nosing. Like you're supposed to get a better experience of the Olf factory system. So the idea is when you taste a beverage or you want like the full spectrum of the experience. You start with, oh, we're doing, I see. I'm, I'm gonna compare. Yeah. Yeah. you're doing. Um, you have to, uh, engage all the senses. Um, and one of those is the olfactory sense. Like Jason said, you gotta smell it. So when you use a Glen Caren like this, the way it's shaped, it's much smaller. And a lot of people know this, but in case you didn't, um, the opening is also a lot tinier too. These fingerprints. look Horrible, but it concentrates, Yeah. it concentrates the nose, flavor, nose, flavor, To deliver it to your nostrils better. So, so so the theory behind this one, they have different ones too. There's different brands. Different, different ones. Rydale does some different ones. I can say you say it, but the theory is, it's like. The best. If you look at this, you're supposed to hold it kind of at the bottom. See, you don't want your, your liquor getting hot, right? Like you don't want temperature chain, Yes. So when you hold the glass They're saying that the temperature from your hand can't actually directly transfer into liquid. Which literally it will. So It depends on what you, when you look at it too. So like, if you have something, if you serve bourbon cold, so a lot of people, like in college. We would have Jose Cuervo in the freezer. You know what I Oh yeah. Or Jack Daniels in the Yeah. Yeah. You want things cold, like even thinking beer, so you want a beer as cold as possible in college. But now it's like, you know, if I'm drinking craft beer, which we have all around us, it's, it's different temperatures. It's some of it's room temperatures, cellar, tempera. 50, 50, 60 degrees. It's a different flavor, experience, different, uh, nose flavor too. Yeah. But you get different on that. So that's, that's what we're looking at. We're gonna experiment a little bit. So same pour, we have it in the Glen Carrin, which is the optimal quote, that tasting glass for bourbon. Then we have it in a rocks glass, which is pretty much what you have at every bar, basically. yeah. A cocktail glass. It's pretty universal. Everybody knows what a rocks. glass is, but it's just like a little short glass here. If you don't, don't watch your, you ain't watching our snow, but it's a rocks glass is mean to put your rocks in. So, so on the nose, like what difference are you getting? Just off, off the, off the top. I didn't even do both yet. So the, the concentration Of aroma in the Glen is extremely apparent. It's, And that's the whole point of this, it, it focuses this the shape of this, the way it tapers in? Like that it, the aromas actually get focused into this one opening and they kind of converge. And that is the idea is that you want to get more of the aroma through a more narrow opening. And a lot of people just put One nostril in and that way you can, you can bring it all in. Whereas With a rock glass, it's a lot more. open. So technically speaking, you won't get a lot of that. At the same So a lot of times people will tell you though too, like if you're, if you're nosing bourbon, they'll say, you know, some people will say both nostrils. Some people say one, you actually have a, what they say in theory, I don't know if I believe this or not, but I'm just telling you what people say. Um, you also have like a dominant side of your nose. Think of like a, if you're shooting or if you're shooting a gun through a scope. You have a dominant eye like everybody does. So same thing with your nose allegedly. by his analogy, we live in Kentucky. We do. We do. We do. Yeah. We shoot some possums in the backyard, Yeah. Well, our 22, we're having it our 22 blinker. yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah. But if you look at that, so I go, I usually go in for two, like two nostrils. I'm kinda smelling around now. Tilt and see where I'm going. A lot of people will say, keep your mouth open. Yeah. So as you can get like the flavor coming through as well. The, the exhale through your mouth as you Yeah. Yeah. So that's something else. The Glen Carn gives you the optimal experience for that versus the rocks class. But I would say we both would agree there's more nose flavors, more aroma from the Glen Carn. Right. We keep saying nose flavors. That's our buddy collar. He knows if you know, you know Kyler. Yeah. Yeah. So I do think there's more aroma from the Glen, right? Like I think we both agree with that. I agree. agree 100%. So let's try a taste, see what the Oh, I've been drinking this whole time. Yeah. Was I not supposed to drink I've been I'm already halfway through both my pores. Okay. You try a taste and you tell me what the difference is. So that's my bad. I I, I can get a different definite difference between the, um, the aroma in each one. And then as he was talking, I tasted both of them and they are both delicious. So this, this actually particular pour. 114 proof, that's what your well or foolproof are. This is store pick, of course, Single barrel product. So for me, I'm not gonna say which one I prefer right now, but I'm gonna say what the difference is in between the two. Okay. So with the Glen, I think it's actually a little hotter. I think it's more concentrated as you take the first sip, even the first like swallow, like it's, it's a little hotter. Yeah. Even for one 14. So. I've had, um, maybe it's a predisposition based on the way I understand. that. Are you profiling bourbon? I I'm profiling the glass at bourbon. I'm, I was, there was once upon a time I was a glass snob. So, uh, if you couldn't tell, if you couldn't tell, um, when it comes to, uh, higher proof bourbon Specifically, for example, I've actually had an issue with the Glen, uh, me and you when, when we, when you first got into bourbon. I was actually getting into bourbon. You ramped up. I kind of like leveled out, but, uh, I remember back then we had a conversation on the Glen Cairn specifically. And I remember both of you and I said, unanimously, uh, it doesn't matter. I would agree. Yeah. And we were talking about rocks versus Glen. We were like, no, it didn't, it didn't fucking matter. Um, it does matter to a degree. But here's the thing with the Glen. So when you concentrate all those aromas and you bring everything into the forefront, when you're. Smelling it. Um, when you're tasting it, it's doing the same thing. Your nose is going directly into the glass, and when you concentrate all those flavors into your nose, they will inherently be concentrated into your palate as well. That's just part of it. What I have to do when it comes to high proof bourbon, unfortunately Is sometimes I'll have to hold my, I will not breathe outta my, or breathe into my nose a little bit. to make sure I can control you. Exhale as you drink. I have to. con, that's the best single tip I've ever heard in my drinking career. Yes. Yeah. When you're drinking high proof bourbon, exhale. As soon as you take the swallow, as soon as you take that sip, exhale, it takes all the ethanol or most of it out the burn. You have it dissipates by probably 80% right? Yeah. And I'm not even talking about after. I'm talking about before also, but yes, you were 100% right. I know when I actually stop. You can stop there. Yeah. End. of show, let's go. Sorry. But yeah, When I, Dr. when I drink out of, uh, if it's a high proof bourbon, I drink it out of a glen. Sometimes I will have to plug my nose, nose, you know, just not breathe outta nose just for a second so I can control how much I take in. You don't have that pro problem as bad with a rocks glass? because it is more open. I feel like in theory you have more control with a rocks glass.'cause you can, yeah, you can cup it and you can create the same kind of circumstance. Again, I'm not saying one is subpar and one is better than the other, but I don't like being in a situation to where I have to do it exactly as I'm told. I like to have the freedom to enjoy. We are getting so nuanced here, but I like to have the we are, uh, we are non-conformist with glassware. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, I think what I would say on this one here is too, like, so a lot of times you have a bourbon pour. You want the bourbon to open up, right? So we talk about neck pours. So neck pours, there's no science behind it, but a neck pour is the first when you fresh crack a bourbon, right? It's the first pour you get that's usually hotter, you know, more alcohol, more heat when you inhale, whatever, even the taste. So you want it to open up. What will this bottle do is I leave it open and have it open. Get a few pores over the last month, two months, three months. I think the difference in glass wears that. I think with the Glen, it's like a fresh crack every time. Yes. I think with the rocks glass, while the nose is not as prominent, I can, I I will a hundred percent guarantee that you will get more aroma from the glen. right. Then you will the rocks glass. But the taste wise, I think. The rocks glass gives you a more true taste. It's not the neck pour every single time. And the idea is the concept of a Mm-hmm. Exactly. The, the, the way a decanter is shaped for wine, when you decant wine, you pour it into a glass or lambic behind you. Or lambic. Do I have, Oh, I, thought you I thought I had, Do I have a decanter over there? I know I was gonna I got one. I got one in my Yeah. Yeah. So the idea of a decanter is that you pour your medium, your beverage into a glass receptacle that has a very wide Uh, base so the liquid can spread out and breathe. You can more or less rapidly oxidate it, you know, to whatever degree that y your your room temperature is. Um, but it actually does allow the beverage to breathe. So you take that concept of, uh, of decanting and you compare these two receptacles. Look at the base. On like a rocks glass versus a glen, and you see how much more skinny the bottom is on the glen, versus the rocks. It is double. Now the glen does bulb out. Here a little bit here, but even at its like most thick, it's still not, it will fit inside the rocks. Yeah. It's still not as thick as a rock glass. So this is essentially. A better decanter vessel Than a glen is correct. Again, I'm not saying that a Glen is subpar. I just like having more control over my experience. I think I would say on, on the bourbon aspect, and we'll talk beer and some other, other drinking vessels here in a minute, but I, I would say you don't have to use a glen, right? Like you don't have to use a gland. Anybody tells you that you have to use a gland to taste. can use A boot. They're wrong. You can use, oh, Greg's boot, baby. Oh, Greg. Oh, Greg. Yeah. You can use a hat, whatever you want. Sock. Maybe. I don't know. You can it through a sock out. I probably wouldn't, but you could. But anyway, I mean, I think, I think too about drinking anything, not just bourbon. We're talking bourbon now, but don't be too serious. Don't be pretentious about it. I mean, me and Matt's both been there with beer. Like we've like. It's a pilsner. I'm gonna drink it down a pilsner glass, like I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? Or there was a big thing with all these tqs, which I love the tcu. we'll talk about these in a second. Yeah, So this is the shape and we'll talk about it more. But those are great. And they're kind of like a glen in a beer form, you know what I mean? They're, I could also be just as happy drinking out of a red solo cup. Right. Yeah. So, back to the bourbon. Yeah. Do you think there's a big difference in taste versus these two? Or, or, or nose, flavor, whatever? So So I, I think there can be a difference In taste. And that difference in taste, uh, ties to whether you are breathing through your nose at the time you drink it. This sounds nuanced, but honestly it is. the whole process is nuanced. That's The point of it. whole process Yeah. So if you, if if I drink through a glen and I'm bruising through my nose as I intake and take a sip. um, Even if I exhale, uh, everything's gonna be a lot more pronounced, which can be good. That can be great, In certain situations, if it's a high proof bourbon, sometimes that can be overbearing. And it can be too much. So if you had something with a wider opening that might be advantageous to where you're not being forced to concentrate all those phenols and all the, you know, the, the nuance in straight into your nose hole while you're drinking. I don't wanna say it contaminates it, but it does, it really does affect, it does affect the taste. Well, how nuanced it is for, for the tastings we're talking about. So if you lift weights, if you work out, think of it as like the first time you ever did a bench press, right? So the first time you ever bench press your arm's probably flared out to here. Yeah. You're like back, you might be, you're to push one side and another. I got scoliosis after my first And then now you're like, okay, I get my shoulders back. I got my bar down here. I'm pushing out in front my range of motion's controlled, everything's controlled. That experience, that's what we're talking about with all this drinking. Right? So it is very nuanced. Like you have to, every time I take a sip of alcohol, bourbon, beer, whatever, I have trained myself to be an be that, um, almost professional drinker. Right? Say that word, but I agree. I know what, I know exactly what drinking to, um, tear it apart. Yeah. Really. I mean, really. that is, that's actually the greatest way to put it, because that is what you want. Oh, you can stop there. We're done, we're done. Done. Yeah. start again. Yeah. Yeah. No, you, you do want, you want dissect it. you wanna dissect it? Uh, you want to, you want to tear it apart. And you wanna like, break down like all the pieces of it, but that helps you appreciate it. It does. Oh, a hundred percent. It does. It helps. Again though, you know, talk, let's talk beer for a second. So I can appreciate a great lambic behind that. I mean, I know what that is. I know what it should be. I can appreciate a great stout, but I also, I can appreciate a Saturday sitting at home or tailgating and a bush light yes. I don't give a shit. I, I'm, I'm past a pretentious stage in my drinking Yeah. Like I, I know there's a time and place for everything, and somebody asks me, what's your favorite beer? What's your favorite bourbon? I'm. I hate that question. I don't know. I mean, I, I can give you some answers, but it might change tomorrow. It really does depend on what you're in the mood for and anymore, That's you're sitting, you're just, you're sitting, That's just what I, that's what I say. Some somebody says like, you know, what's your favorite beer? But It's like, well, am I at a tailgate? At a football game Then. It's probably gonna be Miller Lite. Honestly, like I don't wanna, I don't wanna drink lambic or like a double, barreled stout. I don't need a double IPA either. Yeah. I don't need a nine percenter if I'm drinking all exactly. you know, what, a pilsner would be great. That'd be fantastic. But if I'm sitting at home and it's winter. and uh, I, we got a snow day with a kid. And it's barley wine. Sounds good. God. yeah, it does. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. I'm not gonna drink a pilsner then. Hell screw that Pilsner, man. I, I want that barley so let me talk about the actual glass for a second. And I'm scanning around here. Where's my other camera? I'm gonna turn. this one on. So the, there is some science behind the construction of the glass, more, most specifically the thickness. And a lot of people don't realize this, but you, you mentioned, uh, Riddell, Which is a, is they make wine glasses, they make really great got that, uh, Boca Rider. Is that, is that Riddell? I can't remember. It probably is. That was so we were actually at a beer festival in Boston. We were there and, and Boca Rider was a Lambic producer, not a producer blender that came there. Uh, RO is his name, RO Silvers, I think. Say you say. Oh, of course you, I got one too. So me and Matt were there with our friend Jeff, and then we looked at this, they had some, um, magnums, so 1.1 and a half liter, whatever it is. Uh, beer. We missed those, but they had these, they had these glasses. This glass is so thin, it is thinner than any gland you would have or any rock So look at the thickness of that glass. It's even compare it to the thickness of that double. It is double the It is quite physically, Double the thickness So there has actually been, um, there have been studies to show that the thickness of the glass will, This is getting super nerdy. I didn't even realize it was gonna be this nerdy, of an episode I sure wore glasses. I I know. yeah. So when you drink your beverage, it doesn't matter what it is. it can be bourbon, it could be wine, it could be beer. Um, technically speaking, it could be water. You know, there are actually high-end waters out there, but when you drink it, the thickness of the glass actually dictates how fast that fluid hits your palate and how fast or um, how well you can receive it and, and taste it. A thicker glass. If this is, if this is your tongue and this is the glass, for example, and you put the glass on here and the fluid comes in, you have a whole. Level and blank area to where the, the fluid's not hitting your tongue, your palate. Before it gets to the back of your throat. And if you're drinking something that's very nuanced, something that's very, um, light and, uh, hard to pick apart. I mean, let's let's talk about pilsners. Okay. Pilsners can be absolutely fantastic, but if you're drinking a pilsner, you got thick glass and it just chews back into the back of your throat, you won't taste it at all. Now, If your goal is to get as drunk as quick as possible, then that's probably ideal. But if you actually want to experience it and taste it, a thinner glass will reduce that profile so that when the fluid comes out it actually touches your palate in your tongue and you experience it before you swallow it, that's the whole point. That's why wine makers and wine drinkers go with a thinner glass. so They don't just, just chug the beverage and it just hits them in the back of the throat and they swallow it. They wouldn't actually like taste it. So the object is like cascading, right? So like you, you talk about front palate, mid palate, back palate, or you know, front, middle, finish, whatever you want to call it. Bourbon, beer, whatever, wine. It's the same theory. You want something that hits all of it. So my perfect beverage, if I'm looking at a beer, bourbon, wine, whatever, I want it to hit all parts of my palette and I love a great finish. Like that's my personal preference. But I want to hit everything. I don't want it to be too coined in the middle or too coined in the front, whatever. I want to taste it. All three of those aspects and then have the great Yeah, I agree. And I will say that a great poor is never say dad, never say Die Bourbon. I completely butcher that. You did. You did. Never say die. Never say die. Bourbon our sponsor. We appreciate these guys. You can find them in a liquor store near you. Uh, super smooth, super balanced. Um, You can check out a commercial where they are. Yeah. Did I show you that, that, that outtake yet? No. Oh, wait, wait, wait. No. Not the outtake. no. Oh, okay. I was like super smooth, super balanced, but I had it balanced on a fence and like we were at a horse. where We had the national derby and it fell over. that. I'm not seen that one. balanced. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, it's really good. But never say diaper bird meat. you check 'em out. They're actually absolutely delicious. Uh, yeah. we appreciate. those guys. So thank you. But, Um, the glass, uh, shape is also Important too. So you look at the, we, we talked about the thickness, but the, the shape of the glen is constructed, so it will like bring all the aromas like into it. So the ku, which was a concept that was, uh, I'm gonna take my high roller glass 'cause this is I love that. I love that wine. Yeah. That was from Bos? No, Maine. That was at a lobster roll Yeah. And it was honestly like the best lobster. We had our whole trip up there. Yeah. And it was like a, not a franchise, but a few little, you know, chains there. Yeah. Locations. Yeah. This is our glass. It is like a Supreme logo if you, if you're familiar with that. Yeah. Uh, in a tecu. And it is fantastic. this was developed, uh, during the, uh, the craft beer, I guess. Uh, peak. Yeah. Uh, maybe like six or seven, eight years ago. I, I would say 10. Yeah. Something like that. But, um, it was developed by, um, I forget the guy's name. I a guy named Tku? No. his name. Uh, I don't remember what his name is, but I have I actually literally have his tku here. Yeah. Beer Ballin out of, there's a. spider on there. Beer Ballin was a, an Italian brewery. Yeah. And, uh, the guy that owns Beer Ballin, I believe is the one that, you can see the logo right there on the bottom. He was the one that developed the take glass. And, um, he did it in conjunction with a, um, not an architect, but somebody that actually studied, uh, beverage tasting for a living. And what he found out, what they found out was that This shape was ideal. For beer specifically, it was the wide bottom, because when you hit the super wide bottom right here, you can get your fluid in there, your beer, or even your wine for volume. Yeah. And it goes back to decanting. It's op wide base, introduces it to a lot of oxygen so that way it can open up and you can bring out some more of those flavors, but then it tapers at a straight angle, straight up to concentrate those flavors at the top. And then it flares. Yeah, it flares just a little bit at the top, and that helps it actually release it better. into your nose and then as you're drinking, so that way you can experience everything perfectly. So the TQ is essentially a Glen, Glen Karen for beer. I mean, essentially, you know what I And You can even look at 'em side by side, they're a little bit different, but a lot of that. A lot of that structure's the same. It really is. So I, you know, I think we both agree on this point, but I, I think a tiki was great and I do do. You know, beer specific glassware, bourbon specific glassware, but also I would drink a beer out of anything. You know what I mean? Like I know what it tastes like. I know what it, I know what the flavor is from, I know what the nose is for Yeah. Like one would drink Hope God hop God one Hope God it is a fucking mug. That's ceramic. Yeah. I'll drink it out. I'll drink it outta that Yeah. Zos Pot nights. I, don't know. I, don't know where I got I bet you did got a lot of crazy things over here. Yeah, We got the, the Ethereal local Brewery. Ethereal, by the favorite ones, man. I'm gonna get it. That is so dope. So that's just a cool shape. But I mean, it works as a receptacle. That's one of my favorite glasses science beaker. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see the, they made it once. Bring it back, bring that one back. I mean, it's not, it's not great, uh, like for nosy or whatever, but it's a great glass. Very thin. The The thing is, it can be like, oh yeah, for got the opening, but I love that they have like the little milliliter markings on there. Like Brandon Brandon, we know you're watching this Man, Kelly make, we'll just get him back on the show. and make him, talk to Kelly. Kelly. Make Brandon get that glass again please. But that glass could also be like a mixer. Like if you're making a mixed drink, you got the measurements there, you stir it up, know. Yeah, Exactly. that. I mean that It's built in, um, my favorite glass. All things considered for beer, or bourbon for everything. Um, uh, I think I, if, if, let me ask you this. If you had to pick one glass, you could only use one glass. For the rest of your life, for every beverage you ever had. I'm talking water. I'm talking bourbon. I'm talking wine. I'm talking beer. I What one glass would you I mean, I mean the, the, the do all be all is a sniffer. It's like the 16 ounce, 18 ounce sniffer. Like you have any up here? Well, I'm sure I do. Like, mean, essentially what I'm find what you're talking about and tell me, ERs. it's this, yeah. Yeah. so essentially it's this glass. That's actually a brewery act, I think went outta business. Avondale. out of, uh, uh, trunk's up though. Yeah. But this is probably the, like just do everything glass. No matter what I'm drinking, I have these at home. If we do a share, I have the smaller ones of these, like this is 16, 18 ounces. The other ones are probably six to eight Yeah. Yeah, but they're great. Share glass too. When you talk, lemme see that real, real quick. This one. So when you talk about, uh, similarities to the Glen Caren, Honestly, this is even more similar than the. Than the take. Who is, it? it's got more of a stem here, so that way you don't have to touch it if you don't want to. Mm-hmm. Um, but then it kind of tap, look at these spiderwebs on there. But yeah, it's, it's got the wide base so that way it can breathe and then it tapers, so that way it can concentrate the flavor when you also have the opportunity. So in this glass, if I'm holding it for a beer share, I can hold it like this by the base. Right. If I don't want it to warm up, if I do, if I pour a barrel age stout, or a stout or a Barling wine. I might be like this, so I'm, I'm my hands there in contact. I might actually be rubbing it like this. Yeah. To try to warm it up. So if you have something a little too cold, you want it, like if you do a barrel wage, stout barrel wage barley wine. I want it to be 55, 65 degrees when I, when I'm drinking it. That's the other side of the scenario we talked about. To where you said, somebody said, where's my Glen? Is that my Glen? It's yours. Me Mine's here. too. Hold it by the stem so you don't warm it up. Sometimes you want to warm it up. You do. And that is a purposeful thing that you will do, especially with beer, beer's, the main one. Oh, let's see. Yeah. Sometimes you want to warm up, especially with beer. Um, and that is a purposeful thing that you will do. You will put your hands on there and you will make it warm if somebody pours you a bourbon and it's a good bourbon, but maybe it is cold, maybe it's not refrigerated, it's outside. Yeah. Maybe it's outside. You wanna warm it up. You do this. Like That is a physical thing that you can do and it will change the quality of your beverage by physically making it warmer. happens a lot too. Like if you're in lines like for a bourbon or leash, you'll see 'em on YouTube or wherever winter. and I've been there. Yeah. you'll see people out there bourbon glasses, like warming it up. I mean, again, if you have a beverage that's too cold, that's not meant, so in my, in my opinion, here's what happens if it's too cold, like if you have a Coors Light, Miller Light, whatever. If it's so cold, there's not much flavor to it. Yeah. It's more of just beer, right? If you have a bourbon that's really cold, you don't get the full flavor, you don't get to open up. Right? So you want it to be the temperature designed that bourbon is room temperature. Beers are different temperatures for different Yes, they are. 100%. Again, would I drink a Miller Light at 30 degrees? Sure, sure would. I, would I, would I drink it at 45, 50? Probably, Honestly, drink another truck of my car. Maybe, maybe, you know. Very true. Uh, so my ideal is I really love a well-made stemless wine glass That take two Yeah. No, no, no, no. To the right. Grab the, uh. Well, no, the Alchemist one. The one you pointed to first. Dude, That one. Yeah, that's what I fucking I know. And then you, you You're like, no. away. You pointed away. immediately that that one. What's a stemless? Tcu? Yeah. this really is, so it doesn't have a flare, but still doesn't have, it doesn't have a flare. So this is more of a, a stemless take you, it, it doesn't have the floor on the top, but like there are some, I'm trying to see. I've gotta have a, you know what? I bet I got one. down there. You don't. stimulus wine glass. I'm really surprised. Country Boy did a nice, well, there's one behind you Prop Day. It's pretty nice too. Whatever that Oh yeah, that was a sampler. That's fucking nice. I was trying to find like a really thin one. So like, So let's say Rodell for example. we talked about them already. They make, um, the really Thin crystal, like this Boca rider or Bach glass. Um, but they do it in this style where it kind of flares out. And then has a wide base, and then you have a reasonably wide open top for, um, imbibing and for also like for the aroma. But there is no stem, so there's nothing wrong with the stem. The whole point of it is, so you can hold it by the stem, so that way you don't introduce manual temperature in there. For All intents and purposes a. Well, how many times do you hold a glass like that? Exactly. Do I look natural holding glass? No, it just, it don't happen like, you, you just don't ha it. Just don't do it.'cause everybody, or I'm like this, I'm got a everybody's afraid you're gonna break, you're gonna break the stem, which some people do. Um, but b, if you don't want to introduce temperature into your beverage, um, you can hold it like this. Two fingers, three fingers, something like that. And you won't, I mean, it might be like incremental, but it's not gonna be detrimental. Um, So it, it's fine like that, but this is so much more portable than this. But if you get that kind of glass uh, consistency where it's thin like that, you get the delivery system of a thinner glass, which I, I really do think there is science behind it and I prefer it, but, uh, like the stemless wine glass or real wellmade rodell or something like that. Stemless wine glass, that's my go-to. I could use that for anything. That makes sense. I could use it for bourbon. I got my, open nose. I can close it if I want to. I can use it for beer and I could create my tempo in there. I could use it for anything. Yeah, Great choice. Great choice. I think what we would say, like in summary on this one is there's a glassware for every single beverage you want. If it's a bourbon, if it's a, if it's a beer, if it's a wine, they're the ones designed for that type. Even if it's a specific type of beer inside the category, there's one for that. White wine, red wine, bourbon, whatever. I think in general though, talking, Jason, keep, talking. keep talking. I gotcha. I think in general, what you look at though is. It doesn't matter. I mean, it matters a little like in, in theory it should matter, But I'll drink it out of anything. And I, I think what we would encourage everybody to do is try different vessels to drink out of, but also don't be pretentious. Like, I mean, shit, you know, it's, it, it's alcohol at the end of the day. Yeah. It's not a, fine, what did you enjoy, it's not a game. Shell, I need to win. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you got there, you're real fancy. Then you get a glass with a mustache on. it. So I I thought that was boobs. No, that's the uh, that's the end game. If you can get a glass with boobs on it, let me know a winner. That's a winner. I'll give you that. Yeah. That's awesome guys. We appreciate you. If you appreciate us, then share this. Uh, for more arson a culture, you can check us out on all the social media@ arsenicculture like us. Subscribe on YouTube. See on the next one.